Should America be a civ?

[Master Zen]

Since Civ is supposed to be a "what if" type of game (I mean, what would the fun be if every nation followed its historically-correct path???) then WHY ARE WE COMPLAINING IF CERTAIN CIVS DESERVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN AGE OF HISTORY???

Play and have fun dammit!!! Americans: have fun watching your Bostonian Pikemen defend against German Longbowmen!! And then, 2000 years later watch as you get bombed by Iroqouis Stealth Bombers (poetic justice?)!!

Oh the horror! Oh the fun!!

[TacticalGrace]

|In your "what if" world, what is the explanation for the second american city being called "New York"?

the fact is that America does stand out among the other civilizations because it doesn't even have it's own distinct language.

[ottok]

urf why i am anyway a PRINCE??

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
|In your "what if" world, what is the explanation for the second american city being called "New York"?

Why wouldn't it be?

the fact is that America does stand out among the other civilizations because it doesn't even have it's own distinct language.

and your point?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by ottok
urf why i am anyway a PRINCE??

300 or more posts.

[Chilean President™]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
the fact is that America does stand out among the other civilizations because it doesn't even have it's own distinct language.

so?

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Since Civ is supposed to be a "what if" type of game (I mean, what would the fun be if every nation followed its historically-correct path???) then WHY ARE WE COMPLAINING IF CERTAIN CIVS DESERVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN AGE OF HISTORY???

Play and have fun dammit!!! Americans: have fun watching your Bostonian Pikemen defend against German Longbowmen!! And then, 2000 years later watch as you get bombed by Iroqouis Stealth Bombers (poetic justice?)!!

Oh the horror! Oh the fun!!

Right. Everybody gets so worked up over this cr*p its ridiculous. Yes, USA is a late comer. But how many civs are in this game that no longer exist at all? You don't see anyone questioning the validity of including the Aztecs do you? Where are they now? Do they have the thriving nation they do in my latest game?

I think too many people are just using this game as a vehicle to bash Americans. Get over it. George W. Bush does not accurately reflect every person in the country - not even the majority. Civ3 is a game, not a history lesson. If you want it to accurately reflect history use the editor to reflect how you want it, and let the rest of us play in peace!

[Chilean President™]

Originally posted by Amesjustin
George W. Bush does not accurately reflect every person in the country - not even the majority.

yes the acuracy of which civ should be included or not is subjective. let us all play and... well we have an editor to erase one or two civs and include our own.

[TacticalGrace]

Amesjustin:

My point is that the Americans are in fact the English.

The real Americans in civ3 are the Iroquois, and should have been named as such. This is the source of the identity crisis for the native american civs. First they were the Sioux then they were Iroquis. They should have been American all along.

[Chilean President™]

If you say that the Americans are in fact the English, well then the English are in fact the Celts and Romans.

[TacticalGrace]

Originally posted by Chilean President
If you say that the Americans are in fact the English, well then the English are in fact the Celts and Romans.

A valid argument. probably would be stronger if you said the Normans and the Saxons (but then I guess that there aren't normans and saxons specifically in civ3).

But this is why I brought up the language argument. The English developed their own language. I think that you would have to stretch the imagination to suggest that the so-called Americans have done the same.

As far as Rome is concerned, the people of the British Isles did absorb some culture from the Rome but then Rome left and Britain never really became Roman. They didn't use their language (except in the context of the new religion of Rome, Christianity which was successfully exported just about everywhere) nor did their bloodlines intermix that strongly.

As far as the Celts were concerned, they're culture was driven north and west by the English and then subsequently conquored by the English. The celts were a distinct people both linguistically and racially.

In fact the biggest influences on the English were the Normans and the Saxons. Here there was a strong integration of language and bloodlines. Despite the typiucal Enlgishman will not understand French or German but thety would have no problem understanding an American.

[Panag]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
Amesjustin:

My point is that the Americans are in fact the English.

The real Americans in civ3 are the Iroquois, and should have been named as such. This is the source of the identity crisis for the native american civs. First they were the Sioux then they were Iroquis. They should have been American all along.

hi ,

americans are a mix of backgrounds , english , dutch , spanish , french , irish , germans , etc , ......

and not to forget the natice american's , ....

have a nice day

[Chilean President™]

lets call them "unitedstatians", Chileans are Americans also... as Mexicans, Brazilians, Canadians and Surinameses ( yeah, Surinameses ).
Anyway I believe that language is not a barrier to put the "Unitedstatians" in the game.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Chilean President
lets call them "unitedstatians", Chileans are Americans also... as Mexicans, Brazilians, Canadians and Surinameses ( yeah, Surinameses ).
Anyway I believe that language is not a barrier to put the "Unitedstatians" in the game.

hi ,

*cough* , .....

the are called the United States of America , .......

have a nice day

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
Amesjustin:
My point is that the Americans are in fact the English.

Only a minority of the Americans descended from the English.

The real Americans in civ3 are the Iroquois, and should have been named as such. This is the source of the identity crisis for the native american civs. First they were the Sioux then they were Iroquis. They should have been American all along.

The Iroquois were never Sioux, just like the Russians were never Spanish. They didn't call their land or empire America either. If you want to give them their proper name, calling them Haudenosaunee (people of the longhouse) instead of Iroquois (they who smoke) would do. They named North-America Turtle Island.