Slavery

[airdrik]

Actually, technically we were a confederacy (and a rather weak on at that) for about 13 years until we figured that that wasn't working and switched over to a republic.

[carioca]

quote: Originally posted by airdrik on 03-09-2001 11:47 AM Actually, technically we were a confederacy (and a rather weak on at that) for about 13 years until we figured that that wasn't working and switched over to a republic.

Very true....We need more government types!

How about a government editor similar to the units editor so we can create our own for scenarios. For example does a semi-devine Heaven King rule a despotism, a moarchy or a theocracy(fundimentalism).

[wittlich]

So what is "semi-devine"? Is that another term for "demi-god"?

[carioca]

quote: Originally posted by wittlich on 03-09-2001 02:08 PM So what is "semi-devine"? Is that another term for "demi-god"?

Yeah, kind of like the emperor of Japan. The Son of Heaven sent to earth to guide the chosen people in this world. But he still had to contend with waring fations in the empire.

[Windborne]

I don't think slavery should ever be forced to end, not like it was in CTP and CTP2 where a wonder freed all the slaves, that's a cultural choice the player must make, and it should have rather far reaching consequences no matter when/how it's made.

[MrFun]

Actually, if you look at it in a certain way, the United States government could be described as an ethnocracy.

An ethnocracy is a government that is based on racial supremacy and glorification of the majority or the opressing race. After all, we had one of the largest slave economies in the world before the Civil War, and then after the Civil War, it was perfectly legal to burn people alive for being a black person in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

So really, couldn't one say that before the civil rights movement of the 1960s, that the United States was an ethnocratic government? This could be seen in so many other nations as well.

[tmarcl]

quote: Originally posted by wittlich on 03-09-2001 02:08 PM So what is "semi-devine"? Is that another term for "demi-god"?

It depends on how fine you want to split your hairs. Technically, a demi-god is someone who has a mortal and a god as parents (i.e. Hercules), while a semi-divine person is born of two mortal parents with a divine spirit (i.e., the Japanese Emperors, Roman Emperors).

Marc

[Olaf_the_White]

The only reason I bought CTP2 was to design those "What if the South had won the Civil War" scenarios and maybe a few others that deal with slavery. Overall I find the game disappointing to say the least.

That being said I would like to see Civ3 find some way to incorporate slavery. Someone mentioned specilists and I think that might be the way to go. Slaves would be specialists who could simply generate resources, say 2 food and 1 or 2 shields while requiring one food each. They should be capturable by any military unit but it should be random.... unless they include another suggestion which I think is quite good, namely to tie military recruitment to population so that military units require units of population as well. If that suggestion is incorporated then I think a military unit defeated equals one population point of slaves to be assigned to whatever city the conqueror desires. I also think that if you conquer a city you should be able to enslave however many you want and assign them to any city you own.

I think there should be a minimum number of miltary units to guard slaves as in CTP2. Slavers have got to go though.

One final point. I think the type of governement you can choose should be limited if you have slaves. From the current list of Civ governments I would say that You can't choose to play a Democracy if you own slaves. For those who protest that the US was a Democracy and owned slaves I would suggest two things:

1)It might be more accurate to say the US was a Republic until sometime after the Civil War and

2)This is a game and there are play balance considerations.

One more thing..... A Civ switching to Democracy must free all slaves if it owns any. These freemen will be unhappy for a number of turns after the switch. (Actually -they- might not be happy but the Bubba's who now have to compete for a job with what used to be Uncle Jack's property will be!) This should probably apply to freeing slaves whenever they are freed.

Whatever you do don't include an Emancipation wonder! Eeek!

[Shadowstrike]

Of course, the most important question is: Will Civ3 depict slavery, or will it just skip it altogether for a more streamlined game?