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  • #76
    The Reformation

    I am not sure whether the Reformation should be a tech or some type of game concept that works with religion when it is implemented into the game. Regardless there can be no debate that the reformation changed Western Civ for ever.

    From Encarta.com:
    Despite the diversity of revolutionary forces in the 16th century, the Reformation had largely consistent results throughout Western Europe. In general, the power and wealth lost by the feudal nobility and the Roman Catholic hierarchy passed to the middle classes and to monarchical rulers. Various regions of Europe gained political, religious, and cultural independence. Even in countries such as France and the region now known as Belgium,where Roman Catholicism continued to prevail, a new individualism and nationalism in culture and politics developed. The Protestant emphasis on personal judgment furthered the development of democratic governments based on the collective choice of individual voters. The destruction of the medieval system of authority removed traditional religious restrictions on trade and banking, and opened the way for the growth of modern capitalism. During the Reformation national languages and literature were greatly advanced by the wide dissemination of religious literature written in the languages of the people, rather than in Latin. Popular education was also stimulated through the new schools founded by Colet in England, Calvin in Geneva, and the Protestant princes in Germany. Religion became less the province of a highly privileged clergy and more a direct expression of the beliefs of the people. Religious intolerance, however, raged unabated, and all the sects continued to persecute one another for at least a century.


    The start of the reformation in history is set at 1517 when Luther nailed his 95 thesis to the wall. One of the biggest impacts of the Reformation is that national unity and pride grew instead of an allegiance to a religion or church.
    About 24,000 people die every day from hunger or hunger-related causes. With a simple click daily at the Hunger Site you can provide food for those who need it.

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    • #77
      quote:

      Originally posted by Par4 on 06-21-2000 09:45 AM
      tech:
      Cloning

      What it does, don't know

      Maybe a boost in food production(clone dem sheep) a lowering of the happiness level and a boost in science

      Whatacha think?




      I think like many people you have misunderstood the real meaning of cloning. It does not allow you to produce loads of sheep, or whatever quickly. Cloning allows you to grow a lifeform with identical DNA. It does not have anything to do with rate of growth. You could imagine a future tech which allows growth of a sheep in a nutrient vat or something which would circumvent the requirement of needing fields or whatever but this is only useful in extreme circumstances (e.g. very polluted planet, alien world, in space).

      Cloning is just not as big a deal as people think.

      You certainly cannot clone a soldier and expect him to (a) grow in a couple of weeks just because he is a clone
      (b) have the memory/skills of the original. He would be born a baby and spend years growing up.

      in game terms:
      a cloned solder would take more shields than a normal solder and be no different.

      Hollywood really fvcks up people's understanding of science
      Do not be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed...

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      • #78
        TacticalGrace,

        You are quite correct with your assesment of science.

        However, don't you think that it is possible that in the future with experience with cloning that scientist will be able to make fully developed and fully grown humans?

        Sure they don't have the experience needed to be good soldiers, but wouldn't it be possible?
        About 24,000 people die every day from hunger or hunger-related causes. With a simple click daily at the Hunger Site you can provide food for those who need it.

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        • #79
          Tniem, yes, I am sure it would be possible to clone a human in the future and let him/her develop all the way to adulthood. The point is that it would take just as long for the clone to reach adulthood as it takes a normal human, so there would be almost no point doing this to create soldiers only the fact that the cloned individuals would likely have been the strongest, brightest, fastest, etc. soldiers.
          For it to be practical to produce cloned soldiers (or workers, or whoever) we would need to have something that accelerates development. This seems to be distant future though. Anyway, I hope no future techs are included in Civ 3.
          Rome rules

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          • #80
            Cloning is not just one step, it is a whole field with enormous potential when combined with other things. Combine cloning with the knowledge of how to grow tissue fast or certain tissue types alone and you can do such things as grow a healthy new heart for a patient which will not be rejected because it is identical tissue. Mix it with gene tailoring and the DNA could be corrected before it is cloned, growing working organs for someone born with defective ones. Work out how to read and imprint memories and a human could theoretically body-hop from their 60 year old body to a nice 18 year old replacement. All of these things have significant social implications if they become economically and scientifically viable. How would the people react if they learned Bill Gates and the other super-rich tycoons were effectively immortal but no-one else could afford the treatment?
            To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.
            H.Poincaré

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            • #81
              I'm BACCCKKK!!!

              Hey S.Kroze and Yin... Indeed, I did vanish the last time... as you might have heard, I did some consulting for Quicksilver which is developing Master of Orion III... been a bit too busy...

              I'm ready to do the list now, if it's still available...
              "The most hopelessly stupid man is he who is not aware he is wise" Preem Palver, First speaker, "Second Foundation", Isaac Asimov

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              • #82
                Harel,

                Good to have you back! How was the work over there?

                Well, I think all the info you would need is still here on the forum. If you need something, please let me know. When we last left this project, we were trying to nail down confirmed dates on the techs...
                I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

                "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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