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    The Japanese and West Germany surrendered but were not conquered and assimilated into any other nation. The East Germans became part of the Soviet Bloc, primarily because of military occupation in the same way France was occupied by Germany but had its own administration (Vichy). That is the subtle but decisive difference between Civ, where cities have no loyalty to anything greater than themselves and belong to the owning player of the moment, and RL where cultural and national identity is almost impossible to eradicate.

    If a populace like you and want to be ruled by you, then you 'liberate' the city from another power. If they hate you, almost no amount of military repression, rewriting of history or building theatres, churches and cinemas will change their desire to be free. That can only be represented by requiring a permanent garrison and -10% productivity for an extremely long time, and never be forgotten entirely. The Scots may not have been living under military occupation for centuries but have just (amicably) regained the first scraps of self-government after over 500 years of rule from England. They may, in time, elect to go for full deunification. The original unification would probably never have achieved such a peaceful end had not the Royal families of the time merged, with James VI of Scotland becoming King James I of England.

    In Civ a nation never surrenders, it just loses cities until it has none left. There ought to be a way for a nation as a whole to admit defeat while retaining its national identity. If the victor could not afford to heavily garrison the whole of the defeated country it would make sense to withdraw from most, if not all, of the captured cities, accept surrender and receive some ongoing war reparation payments instead.
    To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    H.Poincaré

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