Thought's on Closing out game

[Worthingtons]

Right, Interesting situation in current game. I am the main power, and have been for the last 300 years since Winning the Great war against Germany. However, going into the modern era of what is possibly the best game i've played i'm worried about how i'm going to get that big win.

Demo Victory
Really unsure about this, Just built the UN but fear i'll lose the vote. all the AI's are always furious with me, unless i bribe them every now again, i'm not sure whether it has anything to do with the slaves i employ to build my railways . However F11 says my approval rating is 2nd . India, who are the 2nd biggest are no dought everyone's cup of tea too...
Is it worth building relations for a Demo win?? and if so , how?

Culture
Dont like winning this way anyway, but the chances are America would reach 100,000 points before london reached 20,000. Can somone clarify the 100000 victory condition a little more for me please.

Space race and domination.

Conquest
Seems dounting, i may be biggest power (about 25% better than India and 50% better than the others) but it's sure a big world (Map size huge).

Score
It's 1850.

[vondrack]

Re: Thought's on Closing out game

Originally posted by Rothy
Demo Victory
Really unsure about this, Just built the UN but fear i'll lose the vote. all the AI's are always furious with me, unless i bribe them every now again, i'm not sure whether it has anything to do with the slaves i employ to build my railways . However F11 says my approval rating is 2nd . India, who are the 2nd biggest are no dought everyone's cup of tea too...
Is it worth building relations for a Demo win?? and if so , how?

If I were you, I would use my UN just to prevent the vote from taking place. The UN vote is usually too much risk. Especially if you are not on good long-term terms with other civs.

BTW, the F11 approval rating has nothing to do with other civs, it's how much YOUR OWN people love you.

Originally posted by Rothy
Culture
Dont like winning this way anyway, but the chances are America would reach 100,000 points before london reached 20,000. Can somone clarify the 100000 victory condition a little more for me please.

Don't worry about the 100,000 culture point victory. There is an additional condition to be fulfilled. The civ to reach this level must have at least twice as many culture points as any other in the game.

Originally posted by Rothy
Space race

Space race is what I usually end up winning with. If you keep (at least slightly) ahead of others tech-wise, build an effective economy and keep a decent army to repel any attacks, this is probably the easiest and most risk-free victory option for you.

Originally posted by Rothy
and domination.

Conquest
Seems dounting, i may be biggest power (about 25% better than India and 50% better than the others) but it's sure a big world (Map size huge).

You would probably reach domination before conquest anyway (unless you keep razing conquered cities). Either of these two assumes you go warring. If you like warring, it may be the quickiest way to winning the game, considering how much larger you are compared to other countries. Tedious for me, but that's just me...

Originally posted by Rothy
Score
It's 1850.

Winning by score will most probably not be an option for you as you will inevitably reach another victory before 2050AD.

[Stuie]

How many civs are still around? Sometimes it's pretty easy to get really friendly with enough smaller/backwards civs to win a UN vote. I'm in the habit of keeping the little guys supplied with enough technology to defend themselves against whatever their larger neighbors currently have. My neighbors are the exception, of course. Anyway, this tends to keep me pretty popular with all the small civs because I just give them techs for nothing (as long as they are safely well behind me in the tech race, which they usually are by the time I get ToE).

[Worthingtons]

Right, what i meant to say in my first post is that Domination and Space Race are disabled!

This leaves Military as looking most likely Victory.

These are the Empires on the game, each has been given a number to represent thier Size, relative to everyone else


France 1 (tiny!)
Germany 10
Japan 12
China 15
Greece 16
America 18
India 22
Me(England) 28


Germany Hates me, Thier now small empire is very efficient however and thier size doesnt represent thier power fairly.

Japan are quite humble and could well be made an ally, they are currently 'annoyed' with me tho.

China also hates me, they were powerful, but are tech wise in the dark ages

Greece has never been keen me, they are my eastern neighbours but only share a small border

America are cool with me, and always have been.

India always like me, but are likely to be my biggest opponents for any victory!


Cheers
Matt

[Minmaster]

one question, does pollution affect scores? i remember in civ2 every polluted tile was deduction in score. but in civ3 i dont get a chance to clean up the tile when ive built my last spaceship part..

[Kingof the Apes]

I would suggest playing the samller civs against each other, and then taking out the victor. Try to get America and India against each other to get India a communist government, which will help you establish a good tech lead. Rush for MA.

[vmxa1]

I do not find anything that mentions pollutioned tiles as a factor for the score.

[Worthingtons]

Interesting idea king, will look into that. If i can get allies against india i may even get popular enough to win the vote.

Just want the quickest victory right now tho, so i can move onto a new game ... 10 minutes in-between turn time is killing me!!

[Worthingtons]

Ok , Just got most of the world to declare war on India, half of my 'allies' nevertheless dislike me too tho. Does this matter?? in a Vote will they choose me first because they are at war with Ghandi!?!?

Is thier attitute towards you the main factor??

Finally, I opted not to let the vote happen when i built the UN, how can i now get the vote to happen?
Cheers
Matt

[vmxa1]

It will ask you on a regular basis IIRC. I think you can initiate it as well, but I never paid any attention to it as the one time it was called I was voted out, so no more votes.

[vmxa1]

The only thing mentioned is the need to have 25% of the land and pop to be able to have an election.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Rothy
... 10 minutes in-between turn time is killing me!!

Buy more RAM!! My between turns time went from over 10 minutes down to less than 30 seconds by doubling the amount of RAM (256mb --> 512mb). And RAM is cheap right now.

[wilbill]

Build the UN and don't allow a vote - you're not in a good position to win and could easily lose.

I won a diplo victory earlier this week. Early 1800's, I'd had a brief, 3-turn war with Rome about 100 BC, took two cities and was a great neighbor after that. I gifted several smaller civs, and struck generous trade deals with the larger ones. Built UN, called for a vote and won - by an 8-7 vote. I was pretty shocked as a couple of civs voted for Japan after being at war with them off and on for hundreds of years.

Diplomatic victory can be a crapshoot.

[Worthingtons]

Crikey, it looks like a long hard 200 year slog to win by conquest or culture then... oh well..

btw Willbill , did you keep slaves? I think this annoys the AI even if they arent THIER people

[Kingof the Apes]

Slaves annoy all AI, IIRC.
Do you have a city that contains several wonders? if so, build as much cultural improvements as possible and check the city with the culture advisor. You should be able to estimate whether you can hit 20000 culture before 2050.