Is Firaxis Just Like Microsoft?

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by cyclotron7


Civ2 had only 2 scenarios, with no new units, graphics, sounds, or anything else. You had to by an XP to get real scenarios. Sound familiar?

I bought CIV 2 for my Mac 1997. I don't think it was any extended version, just the vanilla game out of the box, and it had both the Roman and the WWII scenarios built in. Both scenarios were great and challenged me for perhaps 2 months when I was fed up with random map games. I am still waiting for similar scenarios for CIV3, ONE YEAR after it's release and in the days of Internet.

Perhaps they made the CIV3 editor crappy to prevent ordinary users from creating scenarios, so they themselves could sell a third CIV edition with scenarios?

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by cyclotron7


Civ2 had only 2 scenarios, with no new units, graphics, sounds, or anything else. You had to by an XP to get real scenarios. Sound familiar?

Incorrect as already stated above by Olaf. Civ2 came with proper scenario support out of the box. The Rome and WW2 used the original graphic set but were scenarios in the proper sense of the word. In the months afterwards Microprose also released a number of scenarios (which did include new graphics) for free download. The scenario format was easy to understand and documented so simple fan scenarios appeared quite early.

About a year later two scenarios discs (CiC en FW) would follow that did have new rules, graphics and better scenario support. These disc contained about a dozen new scenarios each and a small "best of the net" fan made selection. When compared with the original CiC and FW scenarios most of those fan efforts were quite poor. It would take about two years before scenarios like Captain Nemo's Red Front or Western Front fully surpassed their commericial counterparts.

[ArmaGeddin]

I would love it if Fraxis was like MS.

The game would be improved on a regular basis for many, many years.
Almost everyone in the world would be playing all the time.
Fraxis would produce many wonderfull add-on products to go along with the game.
The game would be thought of by most people to be the best of it's kind.

And, you would be able to go into most business and find a game running at any time.

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by ArmaGeddin


The game would be improved on a regular basis for many, many years.
Almost everyone in the world would be playing all the time.
.......... would produce many wonderfull add-on products to go along with the game.
The game would be thought of by most people to be the best of it's kind.

That sounds familiar....Are you talking about Freeciv ?

[ArmaGeddin]

I played around with FreeCiv for a while at work. It really did not make much of an impression on me.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by CapTVK
Incorrect as already stated above by Olaf. Civ2 came with proper scenario support out of the box. The Rome and WW2 used the original graphic set but were scenarios in the proper sense of the word. In the months afterwards Microprose also released a number of scenarios (which did include new graphics) for free download. The scenario format was easy to understand and documented so simple fan scenarios appeared quite early.

What?

No. Actually, everything I said was correct. Civ2 came with only 2 scenarios, which had no new graphics, units, sounds, etc.

I don't know what you are talking about, I said nothing about scenario support or anything else. My statement was 100% factual, and I find it astonishing that you could even suggest it is incorrect.

[Coracle]

Firaxis is NOT like Microsoft.

Microsoft is proftable.

Firaxis is owned by Infogrames which is in dire financial straights: http://www.softwareresearcher.com/cg...e%20Researcher Just look at the net income drop!

That is why Firaxis was pushed to release both Civ 3 and PTW as buggy betas to try to get some quick cash for the parent company.

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Coracle
Firaxis is owned by Infogrames which is in dire financial straights: http://www.softwareresearcher.com/cg...e%20Researcher Just look at the net income drop!

That is why Firaxis was pushed to release both Civ 3 and PTW as buggy betas to try to get some quick cash for the parent company.

What about getting your facts right, eh? Firaxis is not "owned" by IG, they are hired to develop Civ3. See http://www.firaxis.com/company_about.cfm. Can you read anything about Firaxis being a subsidiary of IG there?

That said, it most probably is true that IG's financial troubles indirectly pushed the release date and thus accounted for much of the MP-related problems...

[TacticalGrace]

Don't know if anyone else's experiences match mine but don't Microsoft games tend to work out of the box - no patches required.

maybe it's a side effect of having written the OS

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by cyclotron7


What?

No. Actually, everything I said was correct. Civ2 came with only 2 scenarios, which had no new graphics, units, sounds, etc.

I don't know what you are talking about, I said nothing about scenario support or anything else. My statement was 100% factual, and I find it astonishing that you could even suggest it is incorrect.

Sorry about that, read that one in the context of Olaf's post and wanted to set the record straight. You were indeed correct on the original Civ2. Although Microprose did release some free scenarios with new units after Civ2 came out (which also appeared on CiC). Something I have to see Firaxis still do at this point.

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by ArmaGeddin
I played around with FreeCiv for a while at work. It really did not make much of an impression on me.

It's one of those games that grows on you with time...

[WarpStorm]

Originally posted by TacticalGrace
Don't know if anyone else's experiences match mine but don't Microsoft games tend to work out of the box - no patches required.

And if they don't, don't hold your breath for a patch because it ain't coming.

[vmxa1]

I suspect that in the days of civ2 coming out the number of people connected to the internet and downloading things was much smaller. Now it is presumed that most have access and can get scenarios from the web with little difficulty. Still many games do provide maps on their site, Hoeros IV, Disciples II and others.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by CapTVK
Although Microprose did release some free scenarios with new units after Civ2 came out (which also appeared on CiC). Something I have to see Firaxis still
do at this point.

Hmm, could you point these scenarios out to me? I am only aware of CiC and FW... I thought CiC was pretty ridiculous at the time (I have to pay for just 20 scenarios?), I never saw any free scenarios. Where did you find these?

[Verto]

XP is wonderful, but thats just my two cents.