When will Civ3 end?

[Caesar]

I like the Utopia idea (kind of like Transcendence in SMAC) but I don't think any one nation can achieve Utopia, because if there are conflicts outside the borders then Utopia is threatened... plus IMHO in never really exists without global unity.

So there is an idea for an endgame, and could lead to Utopia - uniting the world, maybe even into one civ.

C.

[Stuff2]

I think that civ3 will end with the beginning of colonisation of Mars. So no longer than to 2100 AD.

I don't think that AC should be the next game in a sequel. Instead the following game will scale out their focus so that it will include the whole solar system and maybe a few nearby solar systems. And the third game should be about the colonization of the whole galaxy. That's my opinion.

[red_jon]

I was thinking about the replies to my utopia idea, perhaps building a wonder-ish project to confirm your utopia (declaration of utopia?).

Spies should be able to be countered by spies already in the city, stopping unhappiness attempts.

To prevent it happening too early in the game, you should have discovered every government form first (to explore all the possibilites).

I don't think uniting the world first would work, as that would lead to a conquest victory.

[zyxpsilon]

The key, i agree with you, is the ability to ADAPT an increasingly developping CIV. Even after sending an interstellar settling ship, a "futuristic" approach to the unknown (2020+) has an appeal not only to the conquering/players but also to the economic/modelers and alikes.
It'd be a shame not to let them enjoy the aftermath of their long walk into the historic-years of a planet struggles towards -power- over adversaries.
I think the challenge must remain within reach of the "rational" even if it means enforcing peace.
But, without any kind of a reference of years to come, it almost becomes an all-out mystery.
It is much easier to adapt WITH the unknown then it is to escape the challenge.

[Dr.Oogkloot]

I think Civ 3 should also include a lot of futuristic sciences etc, and it should end maybe something like 2500.

[Tim White]

I think that when you reach the point of getting to AC, you dont go there, but you land on mars. IT then asks you if you wish to end the game, and retire. IF you do not, then your score is NOT computed, and new space techs are introduced. after at least 2 other civs land on mars also, then it tells you that Earth has been destroyed by total nuclear warfare. And then you must fight for mars, and settle the RED planet.

[DarkCloud]

Civ III ends: anywhere from 2025-2060 to allow for Alpha Centauri.

Space ship screen needs and upgrade.
Note to self: start thread.

[Stuff2]

Actually the most likely ending , at least in the real world. Is a major war. Why?
Well, beacouse of the enviromental distruction will sooner or later get economic consequences, very bad economic consequences, when the flooding and desert expansion and weather changes forces poeple to move, to
find new suitable land. When the ocean rising forces people to move, all this will make every country very eager of it's own survival menaing that if suitable land isn't found, it will try to grab some from it's neighbour. This will cause military conflicts. The rich world (wich so far has been doing alright since they have both money and tech for it, gets dragged in to the war when they realize that the war will make them not being able to buy valuable food and goods from the poor world. When the rich countries enter the war (helping their poor trade-partners) they will also realize their own conflicts. Since every country is looking for themselves. The conflicts will spread. And boom, a maniac has fired a nuke (and beleive me 50 years from now every country with more than 20 million inhabitants will have nukes, and 100% secured defense for nukes just don't exist). It's sad but i think it's very possible. It will be a time full of destruction, ultra-nationalism and suffering. Even if nukes are not used, there will be zillions of manufactured deceases, chemical warfare and other creepy stuff. And if nukes are used we will experience a new Ice age.

[chrispie]

LOL thanks for that Stuff2...really made my day! :P

But, since what we all (well most of us ) want is realism, shouldn't Civ3 follow that? Like what is the ultimate goal for the future of Civilization...Peace and unity and visions of one sweet union, errr apparently.

I think at least 3 endings are a must:

1. A player 'wins' when he conquers the whole world (a -very- big task).

2. The whole world is allied. I believe it should be possible in game for players to do deals, to try and bring the world together. In a much more detailed way than the likes of Civ2.

3. Failing that, it's the first to build a humongous rocket and send it to um Mars I suppose. The easiest of the 3 goals, but still needing a big industry, and lots of science.

"after at least 2 other civs land on mars also, then it tells you that Earth has been destroyed by total nuclear warfare. And then you must fight for mars, and settle the RED planet."

Hmm, how -do- you do those nifty quote things?

Hmm, tells you Earth has been destroyed? Anyway, I disagree with any subject which has the game being split into different styles or places. Like the idea's I've read about at the start, having to build a tribe of some sort...I want a smooth flowing game, which no sudden changes. Call me dull.


[This message has been edited by chrispie (edited October 28, 2000).]
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[jrhughes98]

I think Civ3 should end at around 3000 A.D. and include lots and lots of futuristic techs.

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JRH

[Simpson II]

Most likely in 2050, when the Unity is launched in SMAC. It's a nice time frame, too; it gives some scope for intersting new techs but not enough to become totally silly, like CtP.

[red_jon]

I liked the "silly" future advances and governments- perhaps they should be included in Civ3 with the option to turn them off.

[Ralf]

I think Civ-3 should end no later then 2040 - just like Civ-2. I want *only* recognizable techs, units and improvements.

I dont want 75% CIV + 25% SMAC.
I just want 100% absolut CIV.

There are so *many* space-empire strategy-games out there with made-up sci-fi techs and units. Even CTP-2 has a little to much of it.

[Dr Strangelove]

These games typically end by a certain time, by world conquest, or by building a final super achievement, like an interstellar spaceship. Is Civ 3 going to have a new end game super wonder? Is this feature already set by Firaxis, or is it still up in the air? How about some suggestions?

How about this: Instead of us going to the Aliens, the Aliens come to us. The end game super-wonder would be an interstellar communicator, which triggers the arrival of the Aliens. Randomly determined, the Aliens may be peaceful (Vulcans, ala Star Trek First Contact), domineering (Talons ala Earth Final Conflict), or warlike (Martians ala Invaders from Mars). Well, whaddaya think?