I suck at Civ 3!

[Aias]

I've tried several strategies, but it seems like I'm out of the game by the Middle Ages. On several games, I can't even build any wonders! Basically, I suck!

What I am looking for is someone to share advice, and hopefully their tech tree progression. I'm also hoping for someone to share their build queue. Do I need to load up and wage an early war? Or should I concentrate on science? What are some of the Wonders that I should build? When I capture a city, what do I need to do to build up the culture so that they don't revolt? Any other helpful hints?

I usually end up falling behind and having to play catchup. I usually make some alliances with the superpowers and then try to get back in the game by smashing another minor power to take their resources. However, the major powers usually take more of the weakling's cities than I do!

Thanks so much for all of the help!

[vmxa1]

There are a bunch of good threads, but if you want some progress report type help just run a story with saves posted for others to load and make comments. You could make your normal choices out to around the 500ad and post. Maybe keep a few saves before that in case it is useful to back up and try a different tactic. As to war or not early or tech choices and wonders are very dependant on the level and situation. Even with a good standard plan, you willl see an opportunity to do something that will alter the plan. Falling behind is standard on all but the lowest levels, how far behind is a function of your location, skills, and difficulty and some times luck.

[Wise Ass]

Looks like I found my apponent for MP

Will you be getting PTW

[Athitis]

Do not worry Aias. I had the same problem when I first started Civ3 and I have finished the game only once in Chieftan. Go at the strategy forum and read those posts. They rock indeed! And find a civ that matches ur playing style. You will do well in a few games.

Btw: SUPER STRATEGY:

Build MANY cities early on. That was my main problem when playing, which resulted in my humiliation from the French (!) attacking my empire...

[Ethelred]

One excellent strategy is to play on a lower level.

Another is to post a save of a game and ask for help. Preferably in the ancient era so we can see the details and point and laugh.

Basicly though build enough cities. Make good use of your workers and be sure to have enough of them. Don't automate anything till late in the game. If that is boring play on a smaller map.

Start several games with no intention of finishing them. Use your saves to explore other paths you might have gone down but didn't.

[Theseus]

Aias, check the threads referenced here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59216

Start with the "Winning early" thread.

As others have said, post a SAV.

[Raion]

I have not had much time to play, but I have the most cities, yet that I know of, and all of a sudden, I seem to be falling behind even the ones that I know, like the Chinese and England. I started a game with 12 Civ's and it seems to be to much for me.

I think it was when they went to being a Republic first, and I stayed a Monarchy for a few turns too many.
But Germany must be further ahead, and I do have a lot of cities - around 35 cities on a huge map.

I think it will take some time to get use to this new CivIII.
I have no luxuries, and China will not trade any, but says he will trade. I am about ready to 'kick his hiney', so maybe he is looking for a War.

I think I might replay this from earlier, as this is the second version of the same game I started.
I am just keeping different versions of this game, for reference, even though they play out differently.

I think one has to skip some techs, up the tree, especially in the Middle Ages, more focused type of research, but then pick up the other ones later, to get to the next age after picking up the techs one decided to get early.

That's all I am thinking, but then back to other things I have to do, so that's all I can suggest right now.

I seemed to be ahead, then in a few turns, fell behind.
Its about even though somehow on Regent level, but I may start another game on Warlord.

In Civ II it took me a while to get to King level, and that was not all that good. Just have to keep playing and some games will be better starting off than others.

No luxuries, is really draining this game a bit, as England has none to trade and China has them but will not, and the other Civ's are somewhere else, meaning I have not met them yet. Only can get so far on the map with the Galley.

Well, whatever it is, it may involve a skimish with China first.

[vmxa1]

On huge maps the AI will just keep cranking out cities until no land is left and Civ2 players will tend to want to stop making cities and skip the less than great spots. Those can be fatal choices. If they get all the land, they get all the resources and lux. Again post a game as that makes things clear to see.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Dead right you cant apply Civ2 to this baby,my first ever game on regent cause I thought Id have no probs being a Civ 2 vet Hammurabi slaughtered me for not giving him a tech and some gold.Next game I notched down to warlord for a rest and did much better until I told Cathy to get off my land and she kicked me out on my arse,main problem that time was not building enough cities early on,Russia was massive almost like real life.Needless to say my next game was on Chieftan which I won with spacerace but it took many hours of gameplay and thread reading here and elsewhere to now be able to play confidently at regent and just starting to tackle monarch level.Just keep at it .

[notyoueither]

Everyone has many words. It comes down to...

Warrior, Warrior, Settler, Warrior, Warrior, Settler...

and so on. As your cities build the second Settler free them to build other things. Stick to that 2 friends make 2 friends for the first 10 or 12 cities and you should do well. No matter what else you do at lower levels.

[Tiberius]

What I like about Aias is that he came here saying "I suck" and not "Civ3 sucks", like others we know very well.

I can only echoe others suggestions:
- read the threads from Theseus' link
- post specific questions with savegames or screeshots
- become a "veteran" Apolytoner

[Mattaba]

I started playing civ3 about 3 months ago, I thought it would be easy 'cause I was a veteran SMAC player but I learned a lesson in humility on warlord but now I play emperor.
It's good to play 1 or 2 games on chieftain but not too many because you will start to develop bad habits which you must overcome if you want to play on the higher levels and like the others said read a lot around here especially about starting strategies on how to expand and such.
Good luck

[planetfall]

Aias--

Civ3 is designed to take time to learn. Best advice:

1. play smaller, standard size map
2. play fewer civs, 3-6 til you get a feel for the uniqueness of each civ.
3. post saves and minimaps and ask, ask, ask.
4. balance play time with forum post/reading time

Enjoy

--PF

[Dis]

yes you do need to go to early war.

Smash your neighbors. Smash them as soon as you are able to win. Wage war on their territory not yours.

[Dis]

I'll post my strategy. I'm by far not an expert. I play on the 3rd difficulty level. I think it is Regent. So I don't know the expert Emporer/Diety stategies.

First off expand quickly. Take all land you can. You never know what resources may pop up on it later on. I play the Aztecs so I start out with a jag warrior. If I can, I build a settler immediately. You will have to estimate how fast your city will grow from 2 to 3 to accomplish this. If you city grows too slow build a warrior first. But build that first settler as soon as possible.

Basically keep expanding until you run out of room. Trade all techs with the ai no matter what they are. This will usually keep them happy. Keep building warriors (later on archers/horseman) intermixed with settlers. When you run out of room build some barracks and start a steady progression of units. You will need them when your units start dying. Amass units just at the edge of the border to the civ nearest you. Don't worry about trying to provoke war, just declare war on them. Smash them as fast as you can. The faster you go, the less they can respond to it. Just don't overextend yourself obviously.

I suggest conquering all civs on your continent, although other suggest keeping virtual vassal states whatever that means. I have never done that.

After you clear the continent build up infrastructre get map making and get some galleys out there. Do a little exploration, keeping in mind to finish your turn within sight of land. Try to find civs on other continents to trade with. Also build cities on any nearby islands. Try to get between 25 and 30 cities even on a standard map (the one I usually play).

My last game I was cutting it short. I should have run a few wars accross the ocean once I discovered magnetism and had reliable ships. I let England build up a little too much, I just barely beat them in the space race. England was conquering all the other civs and I did nothing to stop this. I suggest not letting other civs take over all the other civs. If they get more than 30 cities they will become too powerful. Try to keep them under 30 cities even in you have to raze the cities you take.