Ever had a Super-Lucky City ?

[aneeshm]

Has anyone on the boadrs had a freak of a city (eg. , like the one I got with half hills and other half grassland as terrain , with Iron , Horses , Saltpeter , Coal , AND a river in its city radius ) .In the example , the iron disappeared about five turns from Steam Power . If anything like that or similar has happened , please post screenshots , there are some comparisons I want to do .

[Prince]

Lookie. Iron, Rubber, Horses, Gold, Gems, and 2 Wheat, all in city radius. Adding that this was my starting location and of course has a river, I'd call this city site pretty cool

And I don't know about the uranium & aluminium yet, even...

[jdd2007]

wow, that looks pretty impressive

but this is coming from a guy who hasnt been able to build an ironworks in almost a year of civin.

[Random Passerby]

I dunno if bonus resources only count, but once I had a spot where I could have built a city with 9 cows and 2 wheat, with another two cows and a wheat just outside the city radius. But that would've been a waste, so I split the Great Beef Quarry up between several cities.

[ThaddeusAlexander]

Best start EVER I had, by far, was not only great for resources, but great for perfect spacing of cities. I'll put in a screen shot. Capitol had 4 Silks, 2 wheat, 1 cattle and 1 horse (i've not finished the game yet so there might be more ... i'm only just getting to physics).

The problem was that I was all alone so I didn't really have a chance to trade any techs so I'm a bit behind on that.

Oh well...

[-proletarian-]

Originally posted by jdd2007
wow, that looks pretty impressive

but this is coming from a guy who hasnt been able to build an ironworks in almost a year of civin.

I feel your pain.


I've only been able to build it TWICE, twice! Since the day the game came out.

[ThaddeusAlexander]

When I started to realize how hard it was to get an Iron works up and running I started counting how many I had and how many games where I didn't have one I captured one from the AI.

So far, I've had 4 Iron Works since I started playing Civ3 in one of the cities I founded. I've had 8 in cities I captured from the AI.

I think there's an Iron works conspiracy afoot.

Cheers
~Thadalex

[Ethelred]

I have had Iron Works four maybe six times. Not sure but I have increased it lately by taking one fairly developed town apart, producing a settler and moving it one stinking tile just to get the Iron Works. Planted a settler in my last game to get another and started the Iron Works early for the city so I could be sure to get it before coal or iron ran out. Later iron did run out but I allready had the Iron Works.

[ThaddeusAlexander]

Originally posted by Ethelred
I have had Iron Works four maybe six times. Not sure but I have increased it lately by taking one fairly developed town apart, producing a settler and moving it one stinking tile just to get the Iron Works. Planted a settler in my last game to get another and started the Iron Works early for the city so I could be sure to get it before coal or iron ran out. Later iron did run out but I allready had the Iron Works.

I've done that before, but i think you mean two tiles since you need one space between cities... if you're going to 'new city route' ... although if you want to disband a city entierly then thats a bit harder since by that time in the game its late and cities are large and all you're gonna do is flood the map withmore workers shrinking the city. Chances are its just not worth all the wasted turns of effort to get rid of a city for it.

Its great if you don't have hospitals yet and most of your cities are sitting at 12 pop... just pump out a settler from one and workers from the rest and in a few turns, you can add all the workers to the new city producing iron works and you now have a nice size (for argument's sake, of course the size depends on how many workers you sacrifice) 10 city that can really crank out the units/buildings.

Cheers
~Thadalex

[Theseus]

Here we go again...

[Jaybe]

Originally posted by Theseus
Here we go again...

Ah, yes. It DOES appear that Ethelred and ThaddeusAlexander are going to be long-term arguing partners (or is that adversaries?), doesn't it.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by ThaddeusAlexander


I've done that before, but i think you mean two tiles since you need one space between cities...

One tile. I did say I moved the city. Thus it was not within one tile of a city. Its called abandoning a city.

Chances are its just not worth all the wasted turns of effort to get rid of a city for it.

It was worth it. It made a city that could produce a tank in one turn well before it had twenty citizens.

I never have hospitals at that point in the game in anycase. Coal comes with steam and that is when started my abandonment of a mid sized city which is not a bad time to produce a bunch of workers. Next comes Industrialization. Then I go up the TOE-Hoover route and follow that up with Replaceable parts before I go for Hospitals or the tank route. Often I get tanks before hospitals.

[ThaddeusAlexander]

See as a peaceful player I go for hospitals right after i can defend myself properly through nationalism, then make a run for the free techs that come with Darwin.

Its never worth my time disbanding a city if all my cities are above size 12, thus my comments on building a settler and a bunch workers and just plopping a city in the middle of nowhere.

Besides, it just doesn't seem to make much sense to disband a city in my mind, does it to you? Think of our world.. if you knew a city would be far better located a hundred miles down the road, do you think everyone would just pack up everything they own, tear down buildings and abandon everything and move the entire city and rebuild it? Would you move an entire city?

I think keeping the game as realistic as possible makes it a better game. Starting a new city,a small one to act more like a large colony makes far more sense in my mind.

Cheers
~Thadalex

Oh and I see we have drawn a crowd

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by ThaddeusAlexander
See as a peaceful player I go for hospitals right after i can defend myself properly through nationalism, then make a run for the free techs that come with Darwin.

In that case I still go for the TOE-Hoover manuever and Replaceable Parts before hospitals. Maybe if I had a LOT of cities sitting on twelve I would do it different. The idea with this is to concentrate on rapid tech development towards the Modern Age. Hospitals are a dead end and I can either come back to and get it in four turns cheap or I can trade for it.

I used to go for Nationalism first in the Industrial Age but now I bybass it as well. The whole idea is to get to Hoover as quick as possible and I think this is the fastest route. Following up the Hoover Tech with Replaceable Parts before Hospitals speeds up my Railroading.

Its never worth my time disbanding a city if all my cities are above size 12, thus my comments on building a settler and a bunch workers and just plopping a city in the middle of nowhere.

I doubt it would be worth abandoning a size twelve city either. I am usually still getting most of my cities up to twelve as I shoot for TOE. In the both the cases I mentioned the city was a newer city that was closer to my Forbidden Palace than the capital.

Aside- have you ever noticed that we have THEN and THAN which are two similar words, but we don't have two versions of THAT so wind up with the awkward THAT THAT pair which is actually pronounced and used as two slightly different words THET THAT.

Besides, it just doesn't seem to make much sense to disband a city in my mind, does it to you?

Sometimes it does to get the Iron Works. That is one heck of a powerfull small wonder.

Think of our world.. if you knew a city would be far better located a hundred miles down the road, do you think everyone would just pack up everything they own, tear down buildings and abandon everything and move the entire city and rebuild it? Would you move an entire city?

Think of it slightly differently. Not something we can actually do in the game but the example is twin cities that later grew to become one because there was good reason for one city close to another. Buda and Pesht now the single city Budapesht comes to mind.

I think keeping the game as realistic as possible makes it a better game. Starting a new city,a small one to act more like a large colony makes far more sense in my mind.

Cheers
~Thadalex

If we could do it that way and get Iron Works then yes. Iron Works is just too powerfull to ignore for me. The game is pretty abstracted anyway.

Oh and I see we have drawn a crowd

We should charge admission. I could use the money.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Hospitals are a dead end and I can either come back to and get it in four turns cheap or I can trade for it.

I used to go for Nationalism first in the Industrial Age but now I bybass it as well. The whole idea is to get to Hoover as quick as possible and I think this is the fastest route. Following up the Hoover Tech with Replaceable Parts before Hospitals speeds up my Railroading.

What is your thoughts on getting hospitals right away on the theory that more citizen means more production? I have not made up my mind on bypass as you say or get the extra pop sooner so that in the longer run I will have more. I guess it could come down to what the game is. If it is a conquest then I would tend to go pop first, otherwise maybe wait.

Nationalism bypass case was made rather well by Zachrial (sp) or someone and made me consider it at times.