Oh man...not again!!!

[Knightblade pDM]

Standard/8 Civs/Full Random

Looks like fate will repeat itself! I draw Persia again and get a great starting location. But as with my other game, quarters are tight and civs are everywhere. I have communications with 4 of the AI civs but can't seem to reach the other three because I keep getting kicked out of other civ territory. I have Immortals everywhere again and 7 cities. Since space was tight, I declared war on my nearest opponent, Hiawatha, to the east, and took him out, taking one city and destroying the other two. But there was a problem...

Barbarians!!! Unlike the last game, these guys are running rampant. They must be on Raging because I can not get a break! I'm cranking out settlers as quick as I can to eliminate the risk of barbs showing up.

To the west is open land, so if I am quick enough, I could populate it rather quickly. Defeating Hiawatha put me right up to 2nd in score(I was 5th). Egypt and China are outexpanding me and it looks like this game won't be so easy to win. It's already almost AD and I am in big trouble power wise. My empire is spaced out because of lakes and the wacky map generator..LOTS 'O Mountains!! Gonna try to keep Egypt and China on my good side. Japan is in the NW corner with 5 cities, Egypt and China both have at least 7. Rome is being quiet with 4 cities. Although these numbers could be wrong because I've seen galleys all around me.

This is not going to be easy. But if I win it's four in a row. I need the Great Library to keep pace. I have a steady stream of gold comin in and luxuries/temples to keep everyone happy. My military consists of all Immortals and Warriors, but the total number is below 20 altogether. So, if Egypt or China decide to invade me, I could be in deep doo-doo. Will keep you guys posted

[Theseus]

Now that sounds like fun!!!! Immortals rock. You know you can eliminate barbs by keeping all territory visivle (i.e., no fog).

Post a save...

BTW, you gotta start AU!

[SpencerH]

My first two games with 1.29 I had real trouble with the barbs. I was fighting wars so I couldnt expand/patrol the unconquered territory. It made the game much tougher.

[Ethelred]

Rampaging barbarians can make things tougher however if you can get a view of all territory near you( you actually on need to see the coast as new settelments seem to be planted by ships) then only the AI will have to deal with this. What I find best is to send a few attackers towards the coast and keep them patrolling. When they find an encampment sack and you get 35 gp. Just don't let them sit or out come barbarian horsemen.

[vmxa1]

Barbs are like the Antarians in Moo2. They are fun for a while and then just seem to be annoying. I think you typoed the encampment, its 25 gold.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by vmxa1
I think you typoed the encampment, its 25 gold.

Correct.

[Knightblade pDM]

Ok, I'll post a .sav of it, hopefully it'll work this time LOL.

Yeah it is a fun game. After winning by Domination on the last one, my outlook for this game might be set too high, as I was leading the last one since the very beginning. I was already in Middle Ages, now, I'm not even out of ancient.

I know about keeping the fog of war away, but with the Iroquios war, my troops are/were out of position

Theseus, I know I've seen and heard of that before but what is AU? I was just up all night and I need a reminder LOL

Here's the .SAV

[CiverDan]

What's really brutal about raging barbs is those 24 horse stacks that appear early on before you have discovered all open land. It requires u to have multiple defensive units in border cities to guarantee they wont be sacked.

It would seem that expansionist civs would be better for these type of games for this reason...i'll have to try it.

[Knightblade pDM]

Well, this game was over quickly.

I gave Cleo a demand for a tech that she wanted(Mathmatics) and then asked her to remove her troops that were flooding my territory. She had the Settler Runs if you know what I mean.

So, she declared war on me and two turns later brought Rome in on the fun. I destroyed three of Cleo's cities and took one. Rome took three and Cleo took three. I was decimated down to my capital. So, fearing a VERY bad score on the HoF, I gave up. I got my a$$ kicked LOL

[vmxa1]

I peeked at the 310bc sav and this is my perspective.
Research - I would prefer to go down either Monarch or Rep asap, skipping Map. This land is big enough to hold me for awhile. I would go for rep and skip monarch, but that is just me. I am used to not having religous and so do not want to switch, but once.
Susa, I would drop the courthouuse and make a horsemen, same in Antioch (drop barracks for now), Pasargarde also makes a horsemen.
I can not determine what action to take as I see an egptian warrior with 8/8 and an Immortal as 8/8 so I do not know what to make of that. I mean I did not see any mod msg at load up, maybe that is only for scenarios?
Never mind on second look, I will switch all to units of one type or another and go for termination of egypt. I just can't have them on top of me this early.

[vmxa1]

Knight, at what time in the game did that happen, what year? Any sav?

[Theseus]

Originally posted by Knightblade pDM
Theseus, I know I've seen and heard of that before but what is AU? I was just up all night and I need a reminder LOL

Check the Strategy forum... we have been playing an ongoing series of games for mutual betterment. You'd like it.

[Knightblade pDM]

It was just a few turns after I posted that .SAV..Cleo demanded a tech..I gave it to her, she went from Annoyed to Polite, I asked her to leave my lands and she got POd LOL

I was just looking at my autosaves, and it goes back to 230 AD, which is around the time of the egyptian war.

As far as the HPs go, yeah it was a mod. HPs for units are 2, 4, 6, 8 respectively. It's my own mod with changes from both here and at CFC. Swordsmen go to Knights, Man-O-War are available to all civs, corruption on all levels is 75%..things like that. I load my mod up as a scenario

Theseus, thanks, I'll take a look at it

[cracker]

Knightblade,

The mods are a major disfunctional problem when you are still trying to learn to play the game. It also continues to demonstrate a lack of respect for the people who might be able to help you. Either stop it or reveal your mods first or you will get classified as the "Cry wolf" category of player. I have already sort of moved you into this category since this is strike three for you in this behavior pattern.

In this case, the swordsman upgrade to knights is a severe bad idea and disabling the corruption functions effectively neuters your ability to figure out how to play the game.

The difficulty level that you play the game on is more important than most of your other information because this significantly effects the cost factors for your opponents. If this was a Chieftain or Regent level game there was no real excuse to be so abused in the early game.

[Ethelred]

Oh man...not again!!!

Yes AGAIN Knightblade withholds infomation. Again he doesn't say he modded the game.


STOP THAT.

If you want to play a modded game its your choice. Cracker seems a bit over the top on this. BUT don't ask for help, at least without telling people you modded the game. Its inconsiderate.