Opps- waited too long. Any hope?

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VMXA1--

Hospitals:
1. don't remember having the tech available
2. is it good to create hospitals before cities are size 10-11?
{I didn't know hospitals requirement for BM}

Move forward:
1. How many do you leave in other cities?
{2. yet arts are boring, best value is shields for cities in resistance}
3. Interesting I have not used cavs to destroy improvements as preraid tactic. I will have to give that a try.

It would be interesting to see a posted sav of where you were able to bring the game.

--PF

[vmxa1]

Here is one.
You need 5 hospitols to build the BM. I did only a bit of pillaging as it turned out. In 1505AD I have captured all the roman cities on this land mass. Bad news, no oil. I had to give up a ton to get it from Russia and cranked out panzers and cracked the last three cities. Got transports now and will send tanks to get oil near one roman city. Will rush an airpirt to airlift more units as I must take all cities there one way or another (no sharing). I will finish research flight this turn and go to next age and then cut back research a notch to not be in the red, unless I can get money for techs after the freebie, not sure if I want to do that as those are big time techs.

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Originally posted by vmxa1
Here is one.
You need 5 hospitols to build the BM.

Ok that is enough reason to up priority of building hospitals.

Bad news, no oil.

I need to look at this, I had oil. I knew Roman had no oil and no luxuries, just land
and land and land.

I'll let you know tomorrow where the oil is.

{Wish this game had XY grid coordinates!!!!!
At least PTW fixes 3 of my pet peeves:
-- Manhattan only GW and not SW
-- turns now visible. {more exactly can set year as fixed interval and not current variable}
-- greater range for aircraft

}

-- PF

[vmxa1]

Sorry I ment to mention that Hospitols are required to get cities to grow above size 12 (exclude rivers), that is the real reason. In 1565 I eliminated Rome and grabbed the oil they had on one of their island. Will start prebuilds soon for cure and Long and then go after the pollution help and manhatten. I would say the next move is to take down Japan to get on that land mass. Need to upgrade inf to MI as well.

[vmxa1]

Planetfall, is there some mod affecting pollution and corruption? Poll seems slow to hit and almost no corrupption? Found two more sources of oil, there were hard to see and not available at first, no biggy as russia need the help anyway. Dropped on Edo now and it is easy money. All inf are now MI. Seti is up and all the other wonders are due to finish soon, while no one else has started them.

[vmxa1]

I am not sure what wins are available, but I would say the game is a lock for any except Dom/Conquest. China is huge now, abut 200 inf/tanks and 32 bombers. They sent over 70 units to get one Russian tank in the late 1600's. I pushed Japand off the land mass that has China and have 5-6 cities there in 1710. All units are MA/MI. I would likely take that the last island that Russia has to ensure no domination could occur. A scoring win is in the bank as Germany is now less than 500 behind and the last 3/4 wonders are near done. If one had the desire they could take out china with a painful war and maybe I will. This is possible as your are impervious to any attack on your homeland and all that is at risk is units and a few new cities. If they over run them it will be with huge loses in troops and cities and cripple thier efforts, while you can replace losses with ease. Maybe after the news I will do it. I have not looked to see if they can be cut off from Oil or Rubber in a quick dash.

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VMXA1-
With game last night, did not get a chance to really review your file. Definitely plan to review tonight and see if I have a .sav about the same time.

German oil locations:
-- NE core empire @ Dortmund, 1 tile to East
-- S land bridge @ New Heidelberg, 1 tile to West.

I continued the game to 1784. A city flipped back to China after I pushed them off the continent. Bye, bye China. Russia has 2 island cities. On big island Russia has 2/5 cities left for another 2..3 turns.

Wins available:
-- score
-- conquest

Score at 1784 is about 2000 with Germany now about 100 ahead of China. When I was playing warlord level, I had a 5### game. I think I will play this game out to see if I can top that score. Gets real boring playing that way, more like Simcity, but would be nice to see higher score at higher level than warlord.

Pollution:
Yes, this is edited down as I didn't see how it helped game play. Most default pollution generators give off no pollution, except coal. They are too messy not to give off pollution. Some improvements also were changed to count vs building/people pollution.

Corruption:
I'm fairly sure corruption slider is at 100%. However, positive police stations/courthouses/cathedrals all reduce corruption. Oh, biggest change is OCN is either 40 or 50. I think it is 40 instead of 24, but I will have to check the bic to see. I know it is not higher than 50 and at least 40.

Big continent:
I followed your advice and moved as many units forward without leaving any city without units. I pushed Russia off big continent in 4 turns. Forgot I also had to get them off the big island and so had to move/build transports etc to get there.

Play Level:
What level do you play at? It might be fun to play a game you have started.


-- PF

[vmxa1]

Good job. I prefer Monarch, but have been playing emp and Deity the last 3 games that I started. I would have been inclined to make some manufactoring planets earlier if I had known they would not kill me with pollution. I normally do not make them or coal plants. I got bummed out when I discovered that lethal bombing was allowed. I bombed a Japanese ship and it sunk. That makes thing completely difference as you can no longer ignore bombers. Normally they can not sink your ships or kill you units so you do not have to sweat them.

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VMXA1-

I never never make coal as they are too messy. Too much like old Chicago, or Pittsburg, or E. St. Louis.

Now, the manu plants are not the old manu plants. They are 2nd generation low pollution plants. It might be nice to have 2nd generation low pollution plants available to advanced civs but only 1st generation high pollution available to retarded civs, but that would add too much complexity.

Forgot about lethal bombardment. I should deselect it. At first I loved it, but then I realized: wait there go my easy picking for GL's. Now I avoid air strikes on units with 1 HP. Thanks for the reminder.

Speaking about naval changes. One of last games changed BS so could not see invisible. Had SSN's with hidden nationality. Oh and bombers could not see invisible either. Needed AEGIS or other sub to see them. AI flooded the seas with more than 30 subs. Taking about making sea travel dangerous.

-- PF

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VMXA1--

Ok quickly compared 1505.sav's and did not see much difference in mini map. Will check key variables and report:
1. techs
2. productivity
3. military strength
4. cash


Just got the 1710.sav, I will compare both and see what I can learn from your play and then post findings for verification.

-- PF

[vmxa1]

I think the only value is the the upgrading of units, get hospitals sooner. I would have played differently if I had known about some of the mods sooner, especially leathal bombing. I would have moved to get jets and bombers as they could have done a lots of damage and stopped the AI from doing same to me. I would have made sams in some forward cities as well. That why I stopped, I knew I had wasted turns. But it was fun.