United Nations

[Doomer]

Not only an embargo can be impossed on a nation that has attacked another one, but also embargoing a nation when it's using lended money from the UN to buy military units instead of city improvements.

The new units are disbanded, improvements are made in the cities and until the country comes out of a financial crisis the UN will be present in the country. (i.e. renegade countries like IRAK). It's up to the country to decide what to do to the UN. Will he obey or will he attack the UN units? Lots of AI for this.
[This message has been edited by Doomer (edited August 08, 2000).]

[Shadowstrike]

Remember that the UN, embargoes, etc. only became the norm in the modern era. They should reflect this in Civ (i.e. UN effects beginning only after a certain advance and contact with all civs, etc.)

Before the UN, such measures were unknown and should be unavailible. Just a touch of reality. (we really don't want the UN existing from the beginning of time do we?)

[wernazuma]

I think the idea of the UN as a council similar to AC is a good idea. The other ideas, WTO and NATO, however I don’t really love. Military unions like the NATO are already represented by alliances. The close relation between NATO and UN is quite new. Until 1989 there were 2 big military blocks within the UN, you remember? That doesn’t mean that military alliances can’t be made better in Civ3 though. Councils of different military alliances are a possibility, not a “global” military council, and less calling it NATO, that perspective is simply too, too, ah, American, that’s it.
And to the WTO, G7 or Gx: sure they have importance on the real world, but what shall it be in gameplay?

[Christantine The Great]

***WHAM***


This hasn't been brought up for a while. Anyone with new ideas?

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[Az]

well kick NATO the hell out of there and so the G7 !

hey Nato is just another military alliance ,it's not some kinda superbody.

G7 - just a bunch of rich countries , who want to enlarge globalization.

UN - that's something different . it should be like the SMAC council , pretty much.

and when you are at it ... please make an automatic exchange of embassies when at peace.



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[Deathwalker]

I think that is a good idea to improve the UN, but I also think that for simplicity sack it should repersent all the world organisations like the world bank. This way world factors can be built into the game more easily

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[Rufus T. Firefly]

Repeat after me:

The UN should not be a Wonder.
The UN should not be a Wonder.
The UN should not be a Wonder.

The simple reason is that Wonders are, by game definition, unique to the country that builds them and, while their representation in the game isn't historically accurate or logical, it does stick to this: the Egyptians built the pyramids, the lighthouse, and the library for themselves; the US built the Statue of Liberty and the French the Eiffel Tower for themselves. But no one country founded the UN, and no one country obtained unique advantage from it. The UN violates the whole logic of Wonders.

The fact is, it's the Manhattan Project that should force other countries to always offer you a peace treaty and to automatically accept your ambassador, instead of the silly "everybody gets nukes."

The seventh wonder of the modern age could then be the Marshall Plan, which would count as a trade route between your empire's largest city and every other empire's capital or largest city.

That's what I'm thinkin', anyway.

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[Hannibal3]

I agree. The U.N. should not be a wonder at all. It should not be constructed by any one civilization.

And for the record....

quote: the US built the Statue of Liberty

The French built the Statue of Liberty. They gave it to the U.S. But I know what you mean.

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"...The highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans; next is to attack their alliances; next to attack their army; and the lowest is to attack their fortified cities." - Sun Tzu

[Biddles]

When the term NATO is used it's just the name being used for all the military alliances (warsaw pact, axis, allies etc.). It is meant to be different than an alliance between 2 civs where the alliance does pretty much nothing more than allow access to the others territory. "NATO" is meant to be a military alliance of multiple civs where a decision is made by the members to wage war on someone else. So whereas in an alliance you still have to pay your ally to fight a war of agression, with NATO if the member coulncil votes for war, all the NATO countries go to war and no "monetary encouragement" is required.

The UN should basically be the SMAC global council.

G7 could be extremely useful, depending on what changes are mad to the trade and diplomacy areas, 9which in my opinion will be changed greatly. For example, if a system is introduced where specialty goods are used (i.e. iron, coal, oil, gems, wheat, etc.) than you could form an organisation and name it OPEC. Now if anyone pisses you guys off you simply cut off their oil supply, and since your organisation just happens to control 90% of all known oil reserves, pretty soon that civ is going to:
1: Come back to you on it's hands and knees grovelling and begging for oil
2: Attempt to fight a war against OPEC in a desperate attempt to seize valuable oil fields (oops, the don't have any oil to run their army though , what a predicament)
See, G7 (or OPEC or Medellin Cartel :P ,etc.)


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[Chronus]

My, we certainly do have many creative and ambitious people out there. Are you folks talking about the United Nations wonder or a United Nations GAME? :-)

This all seems like a ton of complication for such a tiny aspect of Civ. With that said, please carry on with the suggestions. I think I'm enjoying them as much as you folks are.