Are you a cheat?

[Rebel67]

I never reload if something goes wrong, but then thats probably just because my computer takes ages to load a game. I just dont have the patience to wait.

[Demerzel]

as someone says above, the view on what constitutes cheating varies from person to person.

personally I believe that if you've bought the game you have every right to play/mod the game any way you wish to. As long as the only person involved is yourself then what does it matter? If it is multi-player gaming then obviously a level playing field is essential but otherwise enforcing your views on someone else is wrong.

as i've said before I've been accused of "cheating" because I use the quick-save & quick-load for single player games like Half-Life or Jedi Knight 2.

some peeps worry me...

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by Demerzel
as someone says above, the view on what constitutes cheating varies from person to person.

personally I believe that if you've bought the game you have every right to play/mod the game any way you wish to. As long as the only person involved is yourself then what does it matter? If it is multi-player gaming then obviously a level playing field is essential but otherwise enforcing your views on someone else is wrong.

as i've said before I've been accused of "cheating" because I use the quick-save & quick-load for single player games like Half-Life or Jedi Knight 2.

some peeps worry me...

MP is of course a different story, there should be an agreement to such mods/cheat amounst players in any game for MP.


Many people cried about the lack of a save feature for AvP, it doens't bother me because I only save for games like Civ3. But that's mean.

[Ninot]

cheating is the invention of the devil

the easy way out, with no hard work, and no lessons learnt.

[Proteus_MST]

I´m sometimes reloading, if I try to plant a spy, get caught and the other Civ declares a war on me as a result.
But I don´t reload if I don´t like the Results of Combat.

I´m also one of the people who mod their game.
One Mod is doubling the HP of the Units. Some People call it cheating, cause it gives more modern Units a greater advantage over older Units, but I don´t think it is cheating. One Point is, that it doesnt create Killer-Units. Even with this Mod i´ve seen Longbowmen defeating Riflemen and the like, and the second Point is, that most of the Ancient and medieval ages I am not the technical Leader, but on the same technological Level as the AI (and sometimes even backwards). It´s the Industrial and modern times, where I develop a distinct technological edge over the AI.

But just like Demerzel, it doesn´t matter to me, if People "cheat" (for example by reloading Battles), as long it is in their Single Player mode.
Someone in another Thread said: Reloading kills the fun in the game. But I strongly disagree. Maybe, for this certain Person it kills the fun in the game, but for some other players it is a far greater funkiller to frequently loose against the AI, cause they try to be absolutely honest in the game and never ever reload the game cause something went wrong.
I even tolerate people who make the UU of their Civilization a real Killer-UU. Hey, it isn´t not my Style of Play, but if those people like it and it enhances their Gaming experience, it is O.K. (as long as they don´t use those mods in Multiplayer of course )

[vondrack]

I do not think there is something very new I could add to this topic... so I will just briefly state that I agree with most posters here. As far as the SP is concerned, everyone is free to mod the game to his liking, as long as he does not use his heavily modded (and possibly easier) game to "impress" others. What "cheating" is, is different for each player. I personally never reload after losing a battle or a having a city flipped (as that would spoil my satisfaction coming from the eventual victory), but I may reload if I just forget to do something that was obvious, that I wanted to do, but simply forgot to (like waking up and moving a fortified unit).

I do admit that I frequently quit games that are "not going well" or are not fun to play (geography related issues). As someone else stated (was it Arrian?), I find no joy in torturing myself with a game I know I have lost. And... well, I bow to the AI patiency - I have never seen it behave the same way...

[Adagio]

I only very seldom reload the game if something goes wrong (Though still I save every turn... I just can't stop doing it...)...

Though back in the days, I only seldom played games, were there wasn't a trainer included (Remember back in the Civ1 days, where someone made a trainer, were you could just press "Help" (It was an Amiga), and then you got 100 gold to "help" you )... Though I stopped cheating a few years ago (That means, I've almost stopped completely... but it still happens from time to time...but very seldom...)...

Though when talking about MP: I just HATE when people are cheating in MP... of course, unless everyone knows that someone is cheating (Might be because that person is a newbie, and everyone else has played the game tons of times... or someone just want to test something...)

[Bangedup]

If you cheat at single player you only cheat yourself. The AI cannot be injured by your actions, but perhaps by subverting the negative reinforcement of failure one denies him/herself the priceless gift of wisdom.

[Demerzel]

Originally posted by Bangedup
If you cheat at single player you only cheat yourself. The AI cannot be injured by your actions, but perhaps by subverting the negative reinforcement of failure one denies him/herself the priceless gift of wisdom.

Originally posted by ninot
cheating is the invention of the devil

the easy way out, with no hard work, and no lessons learnt.

heh, you guys make me laugh with your holier than thou attitudes.

"oh no, they reloaded the game to avoid something that had really dropped the fun quotient for them! BURN THE WITCHES! THEY'RE EVIL!"

sheesh! some peeps.

a tip for peeps like you, rearrange the following sentence and apply it to yourselves:

"life get a"

[vmxa1]

Demerzel, hum me thinks thou does protest too much. Got something that you are ashamed off? If someone feels X or Y is wrong and you do not, that does not make them the scum of the earth.

[Demerzel]

I'm not the one accusing others of cheating on the flimsiest of pretexts.

I play games to enjoy myself and if a game isn't fun I won't play it. If a game could be fun through modifications then I'll do it. Strangely enough I like to relax when playing games not get more tense or stressed.

If you find that cheating then so be it. Just don't feel it necessary to inflict your views on me by calling me a 'cheater'.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[vmxa1]

I am with out sin as I feel everything I do is fine. If you don't believe it , just ask me. I mean what is the crap about sin?

[The Puny Celt]

Going through all your replies (thanks for your input) has unfortunately confirmed what I feared - that my pathetic cheating puts me in the minority.

And now I'm worried. Sure I can say: it's only a game, and who am I harming by a little cheating, but is this just the first step in a downward spiral into moral depravity? It starts with cheating at a computer game, but what's next? Do I start cheating on my partner ("If she never finds out who's going to get hurt?")? Or maybe some Social Security fraud ("it's just a drop in the bucket for the govt, who's it hurting?"). And 12 months from now I'm selling crack to schoolkids and holding up 7-11 stores.

I think I need some help. Does anyone know of some PC Cheaters Anonymous or other support group I can get in touch with?

[vondrack]

Originally posted by The Puny Celt
Going through all your replies (thanks for your input) has unfortunately confirmed what I feared - that my pathetic cheating puts me in the minority.

And now I'm worried. Sure I can say: it's only a game, and who am I harming by a little cheating, but is this just the first step in a downward spiral into moral depravity? It starts with cheating at a computer game, but what's next? Do I start cheating on my partner ("If she never finds out who's going to get hurt?")? Or maybe some Social Security fraud ("it's just a drop in the bucket for the govt, who's it hurting?"). And 12 months from now I'm selling crack to schoolkids and holding up 7-11 stores.

I think I need some help. Does anyone know of some PC Cheaters Anonymous or other support group I can get in touch with?

Celt, man, just organize yourself! Things are not that bad! I am regularly driving faster that what the law allows me, but I still consider myself a good guy... There is a long way between reloading turns in Civ3 and selling crack to... OMG... some schoolkids.

The great thing about computer games is that if you "cheat" in them, it really hurts nobody. Not even yourself, if you do not feel bad about it... Just make sure you do not extend the cheating beyond the game and you will be ok... Games are meant to be fun and whatever it takes for you to have fun with a game, is fine.

OK, I know you were kidding...
Anyway, I will cross my fingers for you!

[dirtywhiteman]

Hi, this is my first post here, I just wanted to add something about cheating.

I am very much against cheating in multiplayer games. I have never used a cheat in any of the MP games I have played.

However, in single player my stance is different. In Diablo2 or Dungeon siege for instance (two of the games I played in the last few years), I enjoy breaking the monotony of normal games with a little maxed-out-levels ass kicking. It can be fun to steamroll through a room of high level monsters without even getting scratched. But you have to keep in mind once you start cheating, the normal game will seem boring. Now that you've seen everything and found all the sweet items, what motivates you to spend hours finding it all the hard way? The same applies to all games- if you cheat, fine, but don't be disappointed with the game when you get bored after 3 days. I for one try to hold off on using any cheat/bug in games that I want to enjoy playing for at least a couple months. When you're poor, you dont want to always have to buy new games