how could you steal a city ?

[jordan83]

i mean by "steal", in fact "buy" a city, so corrupt it.
Did yoyu have the answer, i don't find the answer in the manual, and i 'm asking myself on the possibility Sid meier got to release this otion of the game...

[Flight]

you can release propaganda into a city via spies but not a lot else
trading of cities for normal goods (in peacetime) was removed in one of the first patches

[Moonsinger]

Yup, propaganda is the only thing; it costs a fortune and most of of the time, it fails! It's much better just to declare war and take the city by force.

[miccofl]

As someone who has flipped entire civs (including the capitol, although not always) propaganda is a valuable tool. It enables one to initiate a non-violent conquest in one area of the map while being a warmongering sociopath elsewhere.

Before spending (or wasting) your money on a propaganda mission you need to be #1 culturally, the larger the margin of cultural superiority the better your chance of success will be. If they are not at least in awe of you, forget it, it’s a waste of time and money. But if you can get a 10:1 cultural superiority you can flip a weak city halfway across the map, and once you get one more will follow.

If you rule the world (culturally) you should be able to flip a small city (1-3 pop) on the first or second try and a 3-8 pop city within four tries. If the city is size 8 or larger the best you will do with the propaganda mission is to reduce the number of happy citizens so that when you take the city over it will not revolt and flip back.

If you haven’t flipped the city by the sixth try, forget it, you’re just wasting money that could be spent rushing other things or flipping smaller cities.

It can be an interesting way to win, but it does get old. I usually reserve its use to small civs that get caught up in a war because of an MPP (remember; the advisor told you they were stupid.)

[Theseus]

You flipped a capitol?

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by miccofl
As someone who has flipped entire civs (including the capitol, although not always) propaganda is a valuable tool. It enables one to initiate a non-violent conquest in one area of the map while being a warmongering sociopath elsewhere.

Really?


I'm not saying your wrong, but I just find it hard to believe, but I guess I'll take your word for it.



psst... you wouldn't have a save file of that would you?

[vmxa1]

Maybe on a Tiny map or a Small. Otherwise you are so far out by the time you get to a capitol, you will have no culture to flip with. You may not even be connected to your capitol in a late game on Huge map when you get next to their capitol with some captured city.

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by vmxa1
Maybe on a Tiny map or a Small. Otherwise you are so far out by the time you get to a capitol, you will have no culture to flip with. You may not even be connected to your capitol in a late game on Huge map when you get next to their capitol with some captured city.

I guess you could, if you aim for it.

Example:

Making a vassal state down to their capital and land lock them, I guess eventualy it would flip.


I did land lock a civ, kinda like that one little nation inside south africa.

[miccofl]

Originally posted by: Theseus
You flipped a capitol?

Yes, twice. In both instances they were very weak, remote, isolated civs and I was a dominant warmongering sociopath and had occupied most of the world. It took about 20 attempts and they were small cities (<7) and I had more gold than I knew what to do with (boredom.) It cost me over 100,000 both times.

Originally posted by:: Thrawn05
psst... you wouldn't have a save file of that would you?

No, unfortunately even with 50 GB of hard drive I still subscribe to the outdated notion of "drivespace conservation." I'm getting better though...

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by miccofl
No, unfortunately even with 50 GB of hard drive I still subscribe to the outdated notion of "drivespace conservation." I'm getting better though...

At least somone else there believe the HD is the wipping boy of computer programers. No one cares anymore about HD space.


If you come accross it, post it please.

[miccofl]

Sorry, the save files are digital toast. BUT I did take some screenshots right before I flipped the French, capitol and all. When you see the pics you'll know why it worked. http://www.miccofl.net/Civ3/Joansglowingpersonality.htm

[Theseus]

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!

So, you're sort of an extremist, huh?

[miccofl]

Nah! I only used the minimum number of nukes required to do the job. That left me over 190 in reserve.

[Theseus]

Besides the fact that that was one of the funniest Civ-things I've ever seen, how did it play a part in CFing a capitol?

[Thrawn05]

Originally posted by Theseus
Besides the fact that that was one of the funniest Civ-things I've ever seen, how did it play a part in CFing a capitol?

CFing a capital... I still don't get it. Perhaps "Mr. C" can fill us in.