c#209 THE CURSE OF CIVILIZATION

[MarkG]

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===================== COLUMN INFORMATION: #209 ======================
title      : THE CURSE OF CIVILIZATION
date       : June 27, 2002
intro      : The full feature of Jonathan Speelman on his experience
with Civ and his meeting with Sid Meier and Soren Johnson
======================== AUTHOR INFORMATION =========================
author     : Jonathan Speelman
about      : When not playing civ3, Jonathan is professional chess
player and writer

http://apolyton.net/misc/column/209_curse.shtml

[Incan_Warrior]

Cute article....but it's pretty void of real information and interaction with Sid & Soren. Are you sure he didn't just pass them on the street?

[MarkG]

this is the continuation of this

http://apolyton.net/misc/column/204_sidsoren.shtml

[Switch]

Finally, not another Civ3 basher

This is probably my favourite article since joining Apolyton a few months back. It isn't just another repeat of about five other articles in which all the author does is bash Civ3. Sure, people should share their views, but several hundred people have already shared this view either in the forums or in a previous article. This guy was original, went against the mold, and even implied a liking for Civ3.

Good job!

[MarkG]

Finally, not another Civ3 basher

and some people accuse us of being overly supportive to firaxis up to the point of implying that we're geting payed

[TCO]

great article. More like this, Mark...

[notyoueither]

I agree, that's a good one.

The chess player reference was an interesting one. I wonder how many chess players find Civ3 too simple.

[monkspider]

Best article in a while Mark, it certainly puts at ease my fears that all this negative Civ 3 propaganda you have been running lately was proof you were being payed by one of Firaxis' competitors.

[asleepathewheel]

nice article.

I didn't know Sid was a Canuck. Alas, but even that knowledge cannot keep me from playing this damn game

[MarkG]

GP, unfortunately of the two articles we have in the row, one is from yet another "dissapointed" fan

i think i'm going to write an article on how negative feelings make you vocal

[TCO]

Mark, those dissappinted fan articles are getting boring. We've heard it all before. The game was released a long time ago. In many cases, the articles are rather trite. I can find posts that are better than them (here I refer to Duckman's article).

Anyway, you promised two "different" articles in a row!

[SanPellegrino]

I liked this article, because as a (amateur)chessplayer myself, I didn't knew that even serious grandmasters like speelman or "someone in the top 10" play civ 3! In fact computer strategy gaming put me a little off chess and i am glad I am not the only one

Maybe the long-term planning in civ makes it atttractive to chess players (I couldn' tell for myself cause I love ALL strategy games)

Any other chess players around?

[TCO]

go to "other games" and start a chess thread. I have already seen a few.

[punkbass2000]

I like chess, though I haven't played recently.

[rwprice]

Originally posted by SanPellegrino
I liked this article, because as a (amateur)chessplayer myself, I didn't knew that even serious grandmasters like speelman or "someone in the top 10" play civ 3! In fact computer strategy gaming put me a little off chess and i am glad I am not the only one

Maybe the long-term planning in civ makes it atttractive to chess players (I couldn' tell for myself cause I love ALL strategy games)

Any other chess players around?

Yes! Chess was the "original strategy game" for me. Although I'm no good at it, I love chess, but lately my addiction to these strategy games has kept me from playing. I'm interested in knowing the thoughts of chess players who also like Civ--how would they compare the two? I wrote a note to Speelman asking this very question, but he hasn't responded. I'd like to hear the opinion of someone who has played both Chess and Civ at some depth. People who only know the moves of chess, yet play Civ, have dismissed chess as not deep enough. That just shows their ignorance.

Those who know and love both games--what do you think?