Culture! Another sinking (soon to be closed) thread by jimmytrick

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by WarpStorm
Actually, Londinium was a part of the Roman Empire (before their culture changed when the troops garrisoning it left). The Roman walls and execution square are still there. In fact, the official City of London borders are the portion within the Roman Wall.

What? This statement makes no sense. Londinium ceased being a part of the Roman empire when emperor Honorius refused British cities military help in defending against raiding Saxons. Culture had nothing to do with it. The sword did.

[MOHonor]

Gosh it's almost a "I don't get the concept of a fan site" reunion! Get on in here Uber! It's culture thread spamming time!

[Capt Dizle]

Gosh, MO, thats an interesting comment.

We can do an analogy here, Poly is a city with a pro-Civ3 culture. The critics here represent the counter-culture. You, Mo, are part of the Temple of Firaxis that is steadfastly churning out culture points with each song sung by the Choir.

The question is "Will Poly flip to the counter culture? If so Mo, do you realize that as a soldier of the city you will flip to us. Thats right! You will belong to us!

Interesting that the pro-Civ3 culture group here uses the most distasteful tactics. Censorship (thats you Mark), insults, harrassment, ostracism (Ignore list), etc ad infinitum.

Haven't you guys learned nothing. You have to build a cathedral and invite us warmly in and embrace us. Embrace the beast Mo.

The proof that Civ3 culture flipping is goofy is found in the clashes here between the two groups, both of whom claim to be the true fans of the Civ legacy. When humans disagree, only steel and gold matter. No one ever won nothing cause they were more cultured than the other guy.

[MOHonor]

And you love the persecution. There's a word for that. Masochist. Since you were into the dictionary definitions check it. Masochism: The getting of pleasure from being dominated, mistreated or hurt in some way. A psych grad student should write their thesis on you and your ilk.

[nato]

I used to really hate culture flips. I started several threads offering ways to change it. I HATE losing lots of military units to culture flips.

Now though, I am fairly happy because military units have an increased power to stop culture flips, which was the main problem. Maybe it would be nice if this power was increased a little, but its not a huge thing like it used to be.

If you still see it as a problem, I think the best thing to argue for would be to increase military units power to stop flips even more. It is a lot more likely than removing culture flips entirely. Or there is always my old no-culture-flip-during-war idea, ha ha.

Actually, I think culture would have been better if it had been more integrated into the game. It should have been a 4th slider for trade (taxes, science, luxuries, and culture), a culture specialist like a taxman, and culture only buildings. Ah well...

[ChaotikVisions]

Hmm, culture isn't too bad, though i'd rather borders only change once however x many turns(checks to see all that are ready), and that military units in that city extended the border. So you could move a large army onto your border, and in 10 years(turns?) be pushing the border back some. Flipping is a bit odd, I can't quite see why it was included, I mean even the warmongers build the culture stuff, so was this uneeded pushing or just an afterthought?

Either way its not too bad, i've lost maybe 3 or 4 citys total to culture flipping in all my games of Civ3, so it never comes into play a great deal.

[Capt Dizle]

Mo, you leave my ilk out of this pal.

CVisions, yeah, its no big deal in SP cause the AI is so easy to beat. It will be a gamebreaker in MP. I would be pleased to stop harping on it if FurAxeIT would take it out of PTW.

[ChaotikVisions]

Heh, I thought you were one of the ones that wasn't going to buy PTW? And I don't think it'll be that big MP, all they need to do is toss in disabling culture fliping along with disabling culture victory, then people can play with it as they want.

[Capt Dizle]

Yeah if they put those switches in that would be cool. I am not going to spend a nickel on it. There are legal ways to play without spending money.

[Chronus]

No border ever changed because one civ had more libraries and poets than the other guy.

Taken literally, yes, this statement is probably correct.

Taken conceptually, well . . . try telling this to the former Soviet Union.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
Haven't you guys learned nothing. You have to build a cathedral and invite us warmly in and embrace us. Embrace the beast Mo.

The proof that Civ3 culture flipping is goofy is found in the clashes here between the two groups, both of whom claim to be the true fans of the Civ legacy. When humans disagree, only steel and gold matter. No one ever won nothing cause they were more cultured than the other guy.

:hugs jimmy:

Welcome to the temple, my son.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I didn't think I'd chuckle very much when opening a thread with the title this one does. Thank you.

As far as gold and steel are concerned, I think that culture can be successfully combated using gold to pay for your steel. At least I think I've been successful as I razed the last enemy city into dust on several occasions.

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. I can't wait for Carthage. I hope they're religious and scientific.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
I am not going to spend a nickel on it. There are legal ways to play without spending money.

Care to elaborate?

[Simpleton]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
The point I was trying to make was that culture was already modeled in Civ2 and SMAC, and in both cases better from both a historic and gameplay view than in Civ3.

I think they should take flipping out of the game.

Well I'm glad you didn't make the game because then we'd all be stuck, for the most part, playing a graphically updated version of Civ2.
Civ3 ain't great but it's a lot better with culture than without because it adds a new dimension to an old formula. That is a good thing.

[Capt Dizle]

Couldn't disagree with you more actually. When a great game series is updated nothing more than a sound and graphics update and gameplay tweaking is needed.

If you are going to make a whole new game what call it Civ# whatever.

I hope that the next version gives us back all that Soren took away and adds some of the great genre advancements from SMAC.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
Couldn't disagree with you more actually. When a great game series is updated nothing more than a sound and graphics update and gameplay tweaking is needed.

Why would anyone buy that?