hidden racist agenda

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Originally posted by Bella Hella
yeah, i agree that it would be nice to have them keep their cultural identity. i haven't played for very long, but i seem to remember taking over a large zulu city and they were all wearing yellow. why can't they just change into green to indicate that they're my little peeps now?

That sounds like the best idea I've seen yet.....keep their identity for realistic (or anti-rascist, if you prefer) purposes, but change their clothing colour to make identification easier for gameplay purposes. The practically perfect compromise, IMHO.

[nato]

Well I don't want any complex features. I would just like the little population points to retain their original graphic and name. So that if I am playing Japan, and I conquer a German city, even after they fully assimilate, the population graphic is German and it says "Content German Citizen" when I click on him. All else just stay the way it already is.

I would just really enjoy that, because I think it is fun to have diverse peoples, and build a society. It is totally a playing around thing, and has no real game effect, I know. But I think it is a lot of fun.

For instance, naming cities has no game effect, but I very much want to do it because it adds a lot of fun and personalization.

Its not a major thing with me, but since Captain made a thread about it, and I would like it, I posted that I agreed. It would probably not be high on my list of requests, but I think it would be very cool, and hopefully not a major effort. Ah but desires are unlimited ...

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by zulu9812
Dude - people are more laid back up here...

Oh, gods, I can just see it now: An entire country so laid back that it decides not to show up for work for a few weeks. And then England (thinking that it is a general work stoppage) lets it go. Everyone! Quick! Freedom is only a vacation away!

[zulu9812]

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by zulu9812

Woops! mad at me? Please let me know how I have offended you so that I can appologize...

[Mr. President]

The game is over-complicated as it is. I am quite sure that racism was one of the main considerations when they made the game. Is there an actual point, or should we just spam this thread until it gets closed?

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Spam! Yah!

[Ninot]

This is a good thread, me thinks.

I completely agree that conquered groups (in Civ3) should keep their ethnicity, at least in graphic, and at most.. keep it to the same degree as if they were JUST conquered.

I know, living in Quebec, that the french of Quebec have been under general "british" rule since 1760. Now, if my history class has been accurate at all, since 1867, Canada hasn't been british, sure... but the French speaking peoples of Quebec have never EVER been overjoyous to start learning english and "assimilating" themselves.

Actually, we have opposite laws. We have laws that are making more french speaking people every day. If you are immigrating to Quebec, and are still of the general schooling age, you MUST attend french school. And, funny enough, you might think that these laws were imposed while the seperatist government has been in charge, but no, they have been around even longer, emplaced by our non-seperatist party.

Oh, and to explain Quebec's seperatist party, since forever (but to be accurate, the 70's), we have had a dominant party trying to make Quebec its own country.

So, as for the "inevitable assimilation" present in CIV3... if it were trying for realism, it would be removed. Many ethnic groups thrive no matter where they go, and they never really fade away.

Heck, if I ever conquered half of Russia in a game of civ3, I wouldn't be opposed to having a nice sized Russian population hundreds of years later. It would make me feel good, and it would rule if they opposed wars that my people didn't.

To explain that... the general english population of Canada completely suported the Canadian troups in WW1 and 2... but the french population of Quebec abhored them.

Yeah, in my second conclusion, I don't think it's racist, but i WOULD like lasting ethnic ties.

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by Captain
that would be much better. it would assuage my guilty conscience for obliterating entire people groups from the face of the earth.

I don't mind bringing them under my benevolent rule, just don't like the idea of "ethnic cleansing".

You have no problem with "obliterating entire people groups from the face of the earth," but you want someone to assuage your conscience.



But seriously now. You do get multi-ethnic cities. It's only after hundreds of years that they become assimilated. I take great pride in my multi-ethnic society. I do see cities homogenize over time, unfortunately, but that is a natural result of "globalization."

[Andrew Cory]

Originally posted by Ninot
To explain that... the general english population of Canada completely suported the Canadian troups in WW1 and 2... but the french population of Quebec abhored them.

Yeah, in my second conclusion, I don't think it's racist, but i WOULD like lasting ethnic ties.

Wait, please let me make sure that I have this right: The Quebequois were opposed to Canadian involvment in WWI and WWII, when those Canadian troops fought on the side of... the French?

If this is true, then I have a bit more insite to the uniformly low oppinon that the French have for Quebec...

[Fidel]

is this PC thread a joke or was it meant to be serious? how come you do not object to e.g. 'razing cities' and other mass slaughters? starving population to death? sneak attacks? nuclear attacks? communism?

[Coracle]

Just what we needed. . .

A Politically Correct race-baiting thread by some guy obsessed with "diversity". All we need now is Al Sharpton to post.

The Diversity nuts won't be happy until they turn America in a disparate, polyglot mess like the Balkans.

Diversity?? No thanks.

E Pluribus Unum - Out of Many ONE.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Coracle
The Diversity nuts won't be happy until they turn America in a disparate, polyglot mess like the Balkans.

you racist

[zulu9812]

Originally posted by Andrew Cory

Woops! mad at me? Please let me know how I have offended you so that I can appologize...

Well, there's a difference between laid-back-not-wanting-to-go-to-civil-war and laid-back-being-a-nation-of-slackers.

I suppose I should just let it go, but it did seem somewhat offensive.

[Jethro83]

Conquered people definitely need to maintain cultural ethnicity. I actually like to join captured workers to my cities so that there is a sense of multiculturalism. Being Australian, multiculturalism is what I'm used to, and it rocks.

Here's an idea. If people from one cultural group mix in with another, the next citizens should bear the controlling power's colour, but have some physical traits from the first group, then others from the other.

For example, my German forces conquer the Babylonian city of Nineveh. I send my own settlers/workers to join the city, so as to avoid a flip. After growth occurs, there could be a male who looks like an arab (as the Babylonians do in this game), yet has fair skin, from being of German heritage as well. A woman might look like a European, but have dark hair instead of blonde, and darker skin. Every now and then, there may be a pure German, or a pure Babylonian born into the city as well, both bearing the national colour as well.

Just a couple of examples, but I would definitely like to see the results of some cross-breeding if this system were to be implemented.