Do fast units retreat anymore?

[bigvic]

Since 1.21 I can't think of a single incident where I've seen a fast unit retreat. Has anyone? Is this no longer the way it works? I think I've seen more great leaders than retreats from combat.

[rah]

Now it's a percentage probablility, and not automatic. Do enough combats and you will witness it.

[DrSpike]

Units still retreat, with the chances being better for vets and elites.

Rah what you doing here?

[bigvic]

Still can't remember seeing any. Playing Iroqois, whose monted warriors actually have a 3 move w/my mod, can't remember a single retreat. Is there any way to affect this in editor? Anyone privy to the actual math of the thing?

[DaveV]

They won't ever retreat if the defending unit is "fast". Have you jacked up the movement of the defenders in your mod, too?

[bigvic]

No, just made roads easier to build, increased movement of roads, but learned long ago that upping slow units' moves ruins retreat. Maybe I've just been inattentive, but still can't remember. Kind of bugs me, in that thats a big deal w/ fast units. This kind of takes away from that advantage. Thought it was just fine before.

[Solver]

Ever since 1.17 unit retreat is chance-based. Editor has that customizeable for the Unit Experience tab.

Yes, I haven't seen units retreat as they would seem like to with their 50%, it seems less, but it works.

[ALPHA WOLF 64]

As i understood it, regs cant retreat from veterans or elites either, nor veterans from elites.

[bigvic]

Oh, is that it? Hmmm...... Wow, that kind of sucks. As far as I was concerned it wasn't really broken before they fixed it.

[Kyle]

Re: Do fast units retreat anymore?

Originally posted by bigvic
Since 1.21 I can't think of a single incident where I've seen a fast unit retreat. Has anyone? Is this no longer the way it works? I think I've seen more great leaders than retreats from combat.

Quite often actually. My pathetic country was right in the middle of Rome, Babylon, and a Japanese city; the millenia of wars between them and the fact that they fought most of them in my territory allowed me to see their battles. It happened with Cavalry and the some of the appropriate modern era units.

[zulu9812]

What constitutes a 'fast' unit: anything with a movement of 2 or more?

I reckon they should go back to the way it was before - it gives these fast units more of an edge (as you would expect them to have)

[DrSpike]

2 move attackers are still very powerful, just not stupidly so like before. The only early defender I can think of that stops withdrawal is the impi. Perhaps Bigvic your editor changes have caused the anomaly?

[Brizey]

It was too easy before...

Just play the Aztecs, crank out JW's, beeline to mapmaking, build the light house, conquer the world. At least up to Regent or so. Egyptians were over-powered too. The makers should have remembered the multiplayer chariot swarms and put the fix in from the beginning. 50 Retreatable warrior-cost units is just overwhelming under the old rules, especially with the easier population rushing.

[bigvic]

Yeah, good question. My whole impetus when I first started modding was to allow more movement. Thats where I figured out that, yes, any unit w/ more than 1 movement is a fast unit. But, before the 1.21 mod, retreats worked just fine. Maybe I'm just not seeing it. Have played 1 full game under 1.21, have a couple of halfway finished going now. First was w/ the Babs, no real early war, don't remember any retreats late, though most war was slogging and pounding w/ infantry & artillery. Next game was Iroqois, still playing, but all my attacking units are fast, MW's and knights (in my mod, MW's don't upgrade til cavalry). Can't remember a retreat and have been at war almost since the beginning. Now Got Indians going, have so far avoided war, so no way to tell.

Maybe I've just been inattentive, playing too late at night and all.

[asleepathewheel]

if yo're not happy with the withdraw percentages, you can change them in the editor. I can't remember what they are originally off the top of my head, but I have mine tweaked a little bit. moved elites up to 75% and vets to 66% withdraw