Trading Absurdity

[ahenobarb]

Also, after the world has been completely discovered, the AI civs still ask if I want to trade world maps!

Uh, yeah, the map hasn't changed in the last 5,000 years. Here you go.

[Panag]

Originally posted by ahenobarb
Also, after the world has been completely discovered, the AI civs still ask if I want to trade world maps!

Uh, yeah, the map hasn't changed in the last 5,000 years. Here you go.

hi ,


maybe not the map , as a pic of the world , but your city's might have changed , or the ones from an other civ , ....

and city's might be smaller or bigger , and resources , ...

have a nice day

[mingmyling]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Theseus :
Maybe you have a bad reputation, and are known to break treaties (it happened to me for a whole game after an ancient sneak attack).

In the words of the female goddess of rock n' roll..."I don't give a damn about my bad reputation". ....Joan Jett

The game is flawed..the trading AI is a mess...however I am sure it will be fixed in the next patch..or maybe the one after it or the one after it

[Kc7mxo]

I miss the good old days when a civ would become worshipful with you, now. . . i'm hard pressed to get neighbors i've never engaged with, who i've traded techs, luxuruies, and maps for 2500 years to be more than polite with me.

its frustrating to try hard to be friends with them, and they constantly try and rip you off with the luxury trade.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Kc7mxo
I miss the good old days when a civ would become worshipful with you, now. . . i'm hard pressed to get neighbors i've never engaged with, who i've traded techs, luxuruies, and maps for 2500 years to be more than polite with me.

its frustrating to try hard to be friends with them, and they constantly try and rip you off with the luxury trade.

hi ,

well it could happen , if you would maybe play a different civ , when you play as a "bad" civ , this is what you get , also , it could have to do with your type of government , ....

have a nice day

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Kc7mxo
I miss the good old days when a civ would become worshipful with you, now. . . i'm hard pressed to get neighbors i've never engaged with, who i've traded techs, luxuruies, and maps for 2500 years to be more than polite with me.

its frustrating to try hard to be friends with them, and they constantly try and rip you off with the luxury trade.

That's why until the AI becomes as smart as a human, MP will be the best way to play Civ games. Nothing can truly match the feeling of manoevering around a large column of an enemy human player's infantry (while your heavy fortifications keep them at bay) and crushing their infrastructure with tanks.

[Akka]

Originally posted by Kc7mxo
I miss the good old days when a civ would become worshipful with you, now. . . i'm hard pressed to get neighbors i've never engaged with, who i've traded techs, luxuruies, and maps for 2500 years to be more than polite with me.

its frustrating to try hard to be friends with them, and they constantly try and rip you off with the luxury trade.

I miss the days of AC where a faction would SHUT THE F*CK UP when you had torn it to shreds. You let it with 2-3 bases, and they would keep a low profile for the rest of the game. Even if you violated their borders, they would weakly protest, but no more, and you could ignore them and act like if you were at home. Now, as soon as you've declared peace, they start again to bang their chest and threat you about a war, even if it's their last one 3-pop city against your pangea-sized civilization.

[Akka]

Originally posted by Arrian
Last night I (Japan) offered Germany 5 luxuries in exchange for 1. "I doubt they would accept such a deal."

Granted, I'm well over 4x the size of Germany, have a large tech lead and already have 5 luxuries, which of course means that attaining another will give me 3 happy faces per city w/marketplace. When asked what he would take? The luxuries, two techs and my world map.

Why in the world would I make that trade? I would be fine with 2 for 1, even 3 for 1, I'd accept 4 for 1... or even the 5 for 1.

I personnally would never accept anything higher than 3 to 1 if I desperatly need it, 2 to 1 in another cases. The trade is completely out of hands.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Akka le Vil


I miss the days of AC where a faction would SHUT THE F*CK UP when you had torn it to shreds. You let it with 2-3 bases, and they would keep a low profile for the rest of the game. Even if you violated their borders, they would weakly protest, but no more, and you could ignore them and act like if you were at home. Now, as soon as you've declared peace, they start again to bang their chest and threat you about a war, even if it's their last one 3-pop city against your pangea-sized civilization.

hi ,

sounds like a day at the UN , .......

however , one could always take the resourses with force , ....

have a nice day

[Tuberski]

I have done this:

Ask germany what he wants for a tech he says something like incense +20 gpt.

Erase the tech and 20 gpt and ask what he will trade for incense.

Result:
9 gpt
+ the tech I asked for in the first place?

You got to be kidding me.

Try that you can get some good deals.

[nato]

We have all heard the logic behind the luxury trading ... that a luxury is worth more to a large civ than a small one. Even if I don't like it, I at least understand the logic.

But what possible logical reason could there be for refusing 1250 gold for 5? Does anyone have any clue? Is gold valued as worth LESS to a larger civilization maybe?

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Tuberski
I have done this:

Ask germany what he wants for a tech he says something like incense +20 gpt.

Erase the tech and 20 gpt and ask what he will trade for incense.

Result:
9 gpt
+ the tech I asked for in the first place?

You got to be kidding me.

Try that you can get some good deals.

Sometimes they go higher though.

Personally, I just customize all my deals by refining to the exact minimum number of gold necassary to complete the deal.

[Tuberski]

That is what I try to do also.

[nato]

I used to do that Trip, but now I figure a few gold is just not worth my time and clicking effort.

The most "refining" I will do now is in increments of 10 in the early game; larger increments later on ... a few gold is just not worth your time ... a game will not hinge on 7 gold, and you only live so long!

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by nato
I used to do that Trip, but now I figure a few gold is just not worth my time and clicking effort.

The most "refining" I will do now is in increments of 10 in the early game; larger increments later on ... a few gold is just not worth your time ... a game will not hinge on 7 gold, and you only live so long!

As the leader of Prussia in my game of Empires in Arms: A Napoleonic Simulation used to say... "Even 1 dollar (gold) may come in handy later on for situations you don't expect." (I'm France, and consequently beating Prussia, Britain, Austria, and all their minor countries in 1795 too.. just thought I'd add that )

Of course, in this game money is much less valuable than in other games, where you actually have to BUY your units, as well as support them...