Nuclear Subs/Stealth fighters

[Boris Godunov]

During the nuke age I had a massive World War in which all civs were involved on one of two sides. My side was Germany (me)-Persia-Russia-Rome-China-Zulu-Aztec vs. America-Japan-India-Babylon-France-Greece.

America, Persia, India and myself all had nukes in our arsenal, but nobody ever used them. I guess it was deterrence?

[Solver]

It can be... if the AI fears a nuclear war, Nukes will be deterrent (much like real life), if not, it will feel free to drop Nukes. Maybe it didn't want the allies to declare war on it. However, when I was allied with 3 civs vs 2 others, and used Nukes, my allies were very happy.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Solver
It can be... if the AI fears a nuclear war, Nukes will be deterrent (much like real life), if not, it will feel free to drop Nukes. Maybe it didn't want the allies to declare war on it. However, when I was allied with 3 civs vs 2 others, and used Nukes, my allies were very happy.

hi ,

true , seen the AI use a sub , lol , in the editor i made the nuke sub's to cary 8 , that was fun , ....... he got 5 on my city's , of course i had the missile shield , so much for that , .........

of course needless to say , the ai , will not clean pollution from a nuke , that is if you drop one or a dozen on them , ....., however i seen 2 out of 3 that if the ai uses a nuke and captures the city he does clean up , strange , .....

the range on the stealth should be some where like 36 or so , .....firaxis , please , ....

have a nice day

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I can see Stealth Bombers/Fighters being able to do this, but not the old WWII era bombers

I refer you to my earlier advice.

Ask the Germans if planes could sink subs...

[SSBLoveU]

I went for the victory over the war when I had nukes. But I did test them . . . and they were weak. Nevertheless, all of my enemies declared war on me which was only one nation. And they were making me mad anyway, and I had a bunch of cruise missiles on the boarder.

[Inverse Icarus]

nuclear subs are only for carrying tactical nukes in my games. that pesky SDI annoys me to no end.

in MP i bet you'll see a rise in tactical nukage.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by SSBLoveU
I went for the victory over the war when I had nukes. But I did test them . . . and they were weak. Nevertheless, all of my enemies declared war on me which was only one nation. And they were making me mad anyway, and I had a bunch of cruise missiles on the boarder.

the nations only get really mad at you if the attack was unprovoked. they'll get mad (to a lesser extent) if it WAS provoked (prolonged war or enemy nuked someone), or if they are friends of the enemy.

if the nuked civ has nuked a few people, or the whole world is mad at them (not even at war with them) they'll probably be ok with it.

in one game egypt was the largest civ, and no one was at war with them, but no body liked them. i went on a "nuclear holocaust" dropping something like 50 icbms and 30 tactical nukes, and no one was mad at me but egypt.

[jabroni154]

Holy crap Uber, 50 ICBMs, damnation.

I would say that the AI is semi-predictable when it comes to nuclear war. Up until the last game, it seemed that I had to really nuke first before they nuked me. The last game I played was a bit different. The map was down to 4 Civs, myself (Babylonians), Japanese, Chinese, and the Romans.

I was at war with both the Japanese and Chinese. I had 2 tactical nukes and China and Japan both had 1 ICBM each. Sort of a deterrence or something like that but I was only a few turns out on Satellites as well. I send a squad of Modern Armor over to the Japanese/Chinese continent landing on a mountain. I attack a Chinese village the next turn and wham, a nuclear strike comes in.

So, of course I nuke the Japanese in response (when it was really the Chinese) who launched. A couple of turns later I get nuked again. Damnation. By that time, I nuked the Chinese 3 times for payback for the first and then managed to get Japan to sign to a peace treaty.

I wish the Civs would do the whole "We have nuclear weapons" bit from Civ1/Civ2 when doing diplomacy.

** Back to the original point of the thread though

I do agree that nuclear subs are way underpowered. I lost 2 nuclear subs to ironclads. Ironclads I tell you! WTF, that seems pretty much impossible, even more so than the spearman/tank debate. However, I must say China was kicking my battleships all around the planet with their subs. Justice I tell you, justice, where is it at? Eheheheh.

Seriously though, that is more what I would expect. The nuclear sub should be a fairly potent threat such that it would have a pretty good chance (50/50 or better) of defeating your average battleship/destroyer/etc.

[Panag]

hi ,

here is one thing ; "peace through power" , even if you have 10 cities , if you have lets say 50 icbm's they comp will think twice , even if the comp has no way of knowing this , ..........

have a nice day

[SSBLoveU]

My subs run silent and deep. They do not bug me. They may pick on me through. But when I am powerful, they leave me alone. So, I just examine their coastlines.

Originally posted by UberKruX


the nations only get really mad at you if the attack was unprovoked. they'll get mad (to a lesser extent) if it WAS provoked (prolonged war or enemy nuked someone), or if they are friends of the enemy.

if the nuked civ has nuked a few people, or the whole world is mad at them (not even at war with them) they'll probably be ok with it.

in one game egypt was the largest civ, and no one was at war with them, but no body liked them. i went on a "nuclear holocaust" dropping something like 50 icbms and 30 tactical nukes, and no one was mad at me but egypt.

[Redstar]

"
What about giving a sea unit the Air Superiority flag? Anyone tried this out?"

Ya don't need it as you already have carriers. Its a nice reason to make a carrier valuable and reflect their true importance at sea.

[SSBLoveU]

At this point, the game is almost over, and unless you can only have a battle victory . . . it is all over. The problems with a cheating AI who only trades with AI and supermean people are other problems in higher levels. Longer times at this level with a peace treaty victory would be a nice option too.

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

here is one thing ; "peace through power" , even if you have 10 cities , if you have lets say 50 icbm's they comp will think twice , even if the comp has no way of knowing this , ..........

have a nice day

Agreed. Interesting side note. I my last game I started a nuclear war and the whole world ganged up on me. However, shortly after the war began I nuked Rome with 2 tactical nukes and immediately asked them for peace. They agreed! Maybe it was because they thought that I'd continue to keep nuking them?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Haupt. Dietrich


Agreed. Interesting side note. I my last game I started a nuclear war and the whole world ganged up on me. However, shortly after the war began I nuked Rome with 2 tactical nukes and immediately asked them for peace. They agreed! Maybe it was because they thought that I'd continue to keep nuking them?

hi ,

right , you have to be carefull with this , it could be they say yes , and after a few turns , bang , surprise they have nukes to , ....

it all comes down a bit like playing poker , and ya dont know what is around the corner , .........

have a nice day

[=DrJambo=]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

here is one thing ; "peace through power" , even if you have 10 cities , if you have lets say 50 icbm's they comp will think twice , even if the comp has no way of knowing this , ..........

have a nice day

the comp might i they have spies.... just like we know their military if we have spies in their capitals!!