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At the start of the game you can build the Pyramids almost right away depending on your civ and wonder selection. The Oracle comes soon after. I am a big Pyramid fan from civ 1 because of all the granaries you get for free, but is the Oracle worth using valuable early game production for? I usually just let the computer get it.
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The Oracle is a high culture wonder that comes very early, which means if you keep it all the way to the modern age, it, first off, is producing a lot as it is (time improves culture value for buildings), and secondly, has produced a lot of culture throughout the game, giving you a considerable edge.
I'd say its worth building.
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If you're gonna build one or the other, I'd go with the Pyramids. Then again, that one tends to be hotly contested by the AI.
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The problem with the oracle in Civ2 was that it went obsolete so quickly... but I don't remember when it expires in Civ3. I usually go for the Pyramids for quick expansion.Lime roots and treachery!
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If you can get them they're both good for culture, but I find that the AI usually gets them first (Monarch and up) so I dont even bother.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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The pyramids give you the bonus of being able to outpace the AI land grab. The Oracle has the awesome culture potential, as Ironwood points out. As with most elements of the civ series, each has its place, depending on your game.
I never get either anyway - too busy claiming real estate, and nary a leader before better wonders have been available.
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Re: Oracle or Pyramids?
I'm pretty sure that in Civ1 the Pyramids didn't give you graneries. It gave you the ability to switch to any form of government without anarchy.Originally posted by caliskier
At the start of the game you can build the Pyramids almost right away depending on your civ and wonder selection. The Oracle comes soon after. I am a big Pyramid fan from civ 1 because of all the granaries you get for free, but is the Oracle worth using valuable early game production for? I usually just let the computer get it."I used to be a Scotialist, and spent a brief period as a Royalist, but now I'm PC"
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If I remember correctly, it expiers with theology.Originally posted by cyclotron7
The problem with the oracle in Civ2 was that it went obsolete so quickly... but I don't remember when it expires in Civ3.
I go for the Pyramids. Then the Oracle if I have a city with a nice amount of production.You're a man- you can be replaced.Comment
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the first age goes way too fast to use the oracle."I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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I do pyramid firts then oracle in one city. Then later get a couple more lesser wonders and BOOM! 20000 culture win by the late 1800's, early 1900's.I drink to one other, and may that other be he, to drink to another, and may that other be me!Comment
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Re: Re: Oracle or Pyramids?
Yes, it wasn't until Civ2 that they gave you granaries. I always go for the pyranids, the effects of having free granaries is worth more to me than the culture benefit of the oracle. The oracle becomes obsolete to quickly, so I only build it if I have a spare GL hanging around.Originally posted by punkbass2000
I'm pretty sure that in Civ1 the Pyramids didn't give you graneries. It gave you the ability to switch to any form of government without anarchy.Comment
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I never seem to get either, but I'll usually go for the pyramids if possible.Comment
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As Uber said, the ancient era goes too fast for the Oracle to be of any use at all.
Since early game, I'm going for the huge landgrab (or hoarding up horsemen for early conquests), wonders are the last thing on my mind (unless you're talking the Great Library on harder difficulty levels). I don't start any wonders until I get to the middle-ages. So the question Oracle or Pyramids... I'd definitely choose the Pyramids."Corporation, n, An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." -- Ambrose Bierce
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On the higher difficulty levels, the AI is going to beat you to the pyramids about every time. The only way to survive is to fight wars, grab land, and get a cities/workers lead. I've never been in a position to build wonders until later in the game.
The two exceptions are
1. The Colossus. You can usually beat the AI to this one.
2. If you set up a game on an 80% water map with archipelago, then the most important wonder in the entire game becomes the Great Lighthouse. Without it, you're stuck on your little island until the end of the middle ages. By then the AI will be way too far ahead of you. Conversely, if you get this wonder you can go get a lot of acreage before anyone else is in a position to expand.
This scenario is the only way I've been able to actually win on diety level.Comment
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Pyramids. Most definately, for reasons aforementioned by others.Grrr | Pieter Lootsma | Hamilton, NZ | grrr@orcon.net.nz
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