v1.21 is it worth it?

[roalan]

patch

I would re-write them if I was sure I could use marlas Map. I like to play on planet earth with actual starting positions. I usually do not like random maps. Also it would be a lot of work to put back the changes to Marals Map even if they worked.Perhaps in future patches they will pput a planet earth with actual starting positions??

[player1]

Re: patch

Originally posted by roalan
I would re-write them if I was sure I could use marlas Map. I like to play on planet earth with actual starting positions. I usually do not like random maps. Also it would be a lot of work to put back the changes to Marals Map even if they worked.Perhaps in future patches they will pput a planet earth with actual starting positions??

Aha, you are worring about starting positions.

Then best thing would be to wait for new release of unofficial tools compatibile with 1.21f. (which would be realy soon)

[roalan]

patch

Thank you sounds good to me!. I also worry about losing all the changes to Marals Map but from what I have been told I should not lose them when starting a new game . I would lose them in a saved game. I do not change saved games. I also have read that when scrolling marals map, for some, one can only scroll down to the equator and not the bottom half of the map. So you see it is to risky to try the patch ,unless I give it a try on another computer?I have been mulling it over ,the computer is a lap top only 450Mzh and 64MB Ram but I would only have to determine if the patch worked or not. Also the lap top is W98 and my P4 is WME. A possible Big difference.

[ACooper]

Re: patch

Originally posted by roalan
READ ALL other threads and also Civ Fanatics forum there are a LOT of people who are unhappy. I have read 100's of postings and I would say 60% unhappy 40% happy to a point. Very few say it is 100% with no pronlems. Check them out.

Where????

[roalan]

patch

for starters see the top of this page. 126 complaints about "bugs and issues" go to civfanatics.com and see a lot more. Look at other threads on this site in the general files and others.

[nbarclay]

Re: patch

Originally posted by roalan
for starters see the top of this page. 126 complaints about "bugs and issues" go to civfanatics.com and see a lot more. Look at other threads on this site in the general files and others.

Have you actually read those 126 posts? Equating 126 posts with 126 people reporting problems is dead wrong, and even a lot of the complaints are regarding relatively trivial things and/or anomalies that hit one particular user. (I stopped after the first couple pages, since it was getting boring.)

My own first impression is that 1.21f is the best to date, even if I did have to hunt down how to do the "KeepRes=1" trick again to get my 1600x1200 resolution back. Maybe there are problems lurking deep inside that will change my mind, but so far, after playing a Monarch-level game into the dawn of the modern era, the only thing that particularly annoys me about the new patch is that "j" no longer affects fortified units (which is still better than 1.16f, which didn't have stack movement at all).

Nathan

[roalan]

patch

I understand all 12now 7 are not all different complaints some folks wrote more then one post. I just found and especially the civfanatic site a large enough number of complaints to satisfy me NOT to install 1.21f. I am happy with 1.16f. I notice that the hugh world has been reduced way done to quite a small world,to speed up the game??? I do not like to play on small worlds that is one reason I like Marlas Hugh Map with actual starting positions.

[Giovanni August]

Roalan, when you say that there are lots of people that post that they don't like the patch, this doesn't mean that everybody don't.

Lots of people like me (that like the patch) don't go around the forums saying that they like the patch.
Can you imagine if everibody would start a "I LOVE 1.21F PATCH " thread?
That would be crazy .

To answer to Oerdin:
I personally think that 1.21f is a good patch, still some imperfections but it's good.
And if you don't like it just download one or two of the MODs in the file FORUM, Personally during 1.17f (I didn't like that one) I played almost all my games with the Patch Suggestion Mod of Player1 (Very good BTW).
I heard that Korn's Blitz Mod is also extremely good and balanced, but I personally prefer to use a more "conservative MOD till the Fix Bug Patch release time will be ended.

Hope this answer you Question.

Saluti

[roalan]

patch

Thank you it does. Keep in mind out of say 100 people 50-60 do not like the patch then 40-50 still do. I think the company should have done a bit better and not had so much controversy. They have already issues 4 or more patches ,A lot of complaints are why did they rush the game in the first place?

[Giovanni August]

Wel, the answer I thought of to that is that they wanted to release the game in time for Christmas spending period. (and i strongly disagree with such a thing)

The first version was almost unplayable, but at least they released soon lots of patches and now almost all bugs are just a bad memory. I'm sure that soon the defined version will be out

BTW, I'm not trying to convince you that you must like the patch, If you don't like it and prefer Version 1.16f you are free to do it.

Saluti

[roalan]

patch

since civ3 is close but not my favorite game I will stick with 1.16 at this time. Believe it or not I like BOTF better. I probably am the only person in the world to say this. I also like Alpha Centuri better and wish Civ3 was as good because I like the setting for civ3 better. I just bought Europa Universallis 11 and from what I see on their forums it is a uch better game then civ3. There are a number of threads that ask for a comparison between the two and UA2 wins hands down. Someday I will play it. I am also looking forward to Moo3 but notice that the thread from Apolyton re Moo3 is turned very negative toward the game and it is not out yet.

[Giovanni August]

Yup.
I also heard that Europa Universalis II is great.
I will probably buy it as soon as i fix the "lack of Euro in my wallet" bug .

Saluti

[roalan]

games

One problem I have with the new games is they are mostly RTS and I like TBS better. I think EU2 will be my last RTS game I buy. I woould have liked AOE and AOQ if I did not have to chase units all over the map all the time. I wish to companies would put an option in their games for either RTS or TBS.

[roalan]

I claudius

I just noticed you are from Italy and I was just watching a great 13 part show named " I Claudius" It is a life story written by Claudius,with some liberties taken, it is from 10BC to 75 AD and is about the life of those Emperors and the ever present Livia. Claudius is played by Derek Jacoby (spelling?) It is an old show shown on PBS a number of years ago but now repeated. It is a classic in the States.

[Giovanni August]

Claudius surely one of the good Emperor (i kind of divide the Roman Emperor into good and bad).

He received that name because he had problemes with his leg and he was (In latin terms) Claudicans. From this his name and from him a very popular name in the Roman Empire and in Modern Italy.

I was in the US till last month for an School Exchange Program. It's a very nice place. I will probably some back one day to visit what I missed (I was in Seattle)!

Saluti