The late game is too American

[nationalist]

And why is there no fundamentalism, or even militarism?

Why no Fascism? It is a major, influential government (just as influential in the 20th century as Communism) that is just left out. Would replace your militarism idea. There have been multiple threads asking for Fascism.

[Drug zBla]

O.K. Fascism.
But militarism is, just like fundamentalism, more general, and could be applied to any country, whit no strings attached, just like any other gvmnt. type in civ3.

P.S. where could I find those threads about fascism? Thanks

[EvilKosh]

It was mentioned in the thread the the US is the only country with stealth aircraft. That's true if you consider only certain aspects of stealth technology to be "Stealth". Many of the concepts of lowering radar profile have been around since the advent of the military aspects of radar. Stealth is more of a design philosophy than any one particular technology, and military aircraft made in other countries use some of the design concepts, even though they don't have all of the ones available to the US.

So in short, no other countries currently have anything EXACTLY like the US stealth aicraft... at least, as far as anyone can see ;o).

[KateUK]

Originally posted by steelehc
If the game was solely americanized, there would be no pyrmiads, no hanging gardens, no temples, no oracle, no triremes, no caravels, no much of anything, in fact, until the industrial era.

Steele

I would have liked to have seen Stonehenge used as a wonder.
But then I'm British.

[nationalist]

P.S. where could I find those threads about fascism? Thanks

I don't know if you can still find it, but we had a pretty detailed thread ( 6 or 7 pages) detailing Fascism for the use in an upcoming patch or something. The thread included many good ideas, and dealt with some of the issues that you bring up ( such as fundamentalism and militarism). Maybe the thread is archived oir something. If not, we can start a new Fascism thread.

[ALPHA WOLF 64]

Originally posted by KateUK


I would have liked to have seen Stonehenge used as a wonder.
But then I'm British.

What would you use as its benefit (limited by current editor options)? I could see it giving a 25% in food since as i understand it, its a fabulous astronomical calendar.

[ALPHA WOLF 64]

I often hear governments referred to as Socialist, is that communism without the "big brother" mentality? If so, then we could have a socialsm form that incorporates the good of communism without any military effects.

[KateUK]

Originally posted by ALPHA WOLF 64


What would you use as its benefit (limited by current editor options)? I could see it giving a 25% in food since as i understand it, its a fabulous astronomical calendar.

Sorry, I haven't looked at the editor so I don't know what the current editor options are.
Yes one theory about Stonehenge is that it was an astronomical calendar, another is that it was a temple or similar. Looked at in those ways, take your pick, extra food, extra science, or the happiness/culture benefit that comes with religious wonders?

[nato]

Nato,

Isn't China a 'modern' nation? And South Korea and many other so called Asean Tigres?

Technologically: yes.
Culturally: yes.
Politically: yes.
Scientific: yes.
Militaristic: yes.

So yes of course, you can be modern without being western!

After posting that, I thought about it and knew someone would jump on it ... I do agree with what you said, I just didn't make my post lawyer-proof.

Basically what I typed was straight what I learned in my very tough Chinese history class, where modernization vs westernization was a major theme.

My enormously pro-Asian professor is the one who said the thing about Japan being the only modern but non-western nation.

I also had questions about some of the other nations, especially South Korea and the other NICs / Tigers. But he was very certain about Japan ... maybe it would be better to say it is the biggest example.

In another class I took, I read a book called "Clash of Civilizations". One of its topics was also modernization vs westernization. It basically argued that you could be modern without being western.

I think you can, because you can point to some things as western, and some as modern. However I think some traits of the west go very well with modernity, and so make it easier.

So yes of course, you can be modern without being western! (some Apolyton-readers from other than Western nations won't like what you've suggested Nato --> or maybe we misunderstood you)

Oh please.

Nothing I typed was any different than what I learned in very politically correct history/political science classes. Whether you could be modern without being western was discussed as a serious question, not some jingoist thing.

If anything, my classes were slightly anti-western.

I think you have to choose one or the other: either don't be so sensitive yourself, or stop telling Americans to not be so sensitive when you very unambiguosly attack the US. (please take that lightly, not seriously/mean )

[Trevman]

Sorry, I got a bit carried away in my last post.
I'm just so sick of European disgust for EVERYTHING American. I'm not saying that everyone in Europe is like this, but the overall sentiment I see is overall anti-American. I'm sick of Europeans mooning our president and blaming us for the cause of all human evils. Anyways, I really should vent this elsewhere . You kind of triggered this Sandman and I temporarily lost control.

[Trevman]

I think that I'm going to avoid this thread.

[notyoueither]

Don't blame you Trevman.

I'm not an American, but the rampant Anti-Americanism that can be found in a lot of places kind of annoys me too.

Oh well, look at the bright side. They don't take shots at the people in second place.

[Trevman]

Originally posted by ALPHA WOLF 64
I often hear governments referred to as Socialist, is that communism without the "big brother" mentality? If so, then we could have a socialsm form that incorporates the good of communism without any military effects.

Good in communism??

[awesomedude]

Originally posted by Trevman


Good in communism??

I thought you were going to avoid this thread... Apparently I can't hold you to that...

Yes, believe it or not, some people actually think that some of the ideas in the communist manifesto are potentially good. Not saying I'm one of them though, but I have a full understanding as to why they would think that way. The word communism has a very bad taste to hit in the west, mainly due to the connection with dictatorships as those in the Soviet Union and in China. However, these two communist powers have developed a communism that isn't really true as to how Marx defined it...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by awesomedude
Yes, believe it or not, some people actually think that some of the ideas in the communist manifesto are potentially good. Not saying I'm one of them though, but I have a full understanding as to why they would think that way.

So you agree their brains are not yet fully developed?