Do you think that Civilization III could be made better?

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Of course, we've all had our "little" complaints about Civilization III. I'm sure that many of us here could think of hundreds, if not thousands of ways that this game could be improved. But of course we all know that not all of our ideas can be implemented into the game or it would become too complex. Keep it simple, stupid. LOL!!!

It is possible that Firaxis may release an expansion pack, or two, or three, or more in the near future that may greatly improve this game. But I believe that they really need some help from their fans on what to put in them. So let's use this thread to post our thoughts, questions, comments and concerns about how Civilization III could be made better here. And may I kindly ask that a Moderator sticky this thread.

LET'S ROLL!!!

[ACooper]

I'm sorry, but this poll is funny.






Oh, yeah, everything can be made better.

[notyoueither]

How can you possibly say *no*?

Even the programmers are working on improvements, so they must say yes, or hate their jobs. Of course Dan Magaha would prolly try to go with 42 Ninja Bananas if he could.

[notyoueither]

OK. here's a major one that I'm blatantly ripping off from Vel and his crew from the Patch with no name.

Civs lacking a resource should be able to build variants of units that require resources. Hence, no oil? Build Light Tanks.

No Iron? A different version of Cavalry and Swordsmen. etc.

They had the shield cost doubled, I think. You might make the varients slightly weaker in attack/defence and cost some small number of Gold to initiate.

Resources would still be very desirable, however the human could no longer bugger the AI by intelligent and/or devious strategic warfare methods. No more Longbowmen in the Modern Age. Or is it Riflemen now, with 1.17? Whatever, the point remains.

[hitchikingalaxy]

i would like to see the ability to broker a peace deal while a war is going on. i hate it when wars between rival nations happen and both armies march across my territory to kill each other. I know i have to massacre the winner

I would just like it to feel like more of an actual civilized diplomacy than just the warfare. i would like to see one uu per age as opposed to the one per civilization.

but what i would like the most to see would be the mongols!!!!! the Huns!!!! and the inca!!!!! oh and maybe, just maybe the phoneaicans, but i can live without them.

I would also like the combat system to make sense! to say that it blows would be to call pearl harbor a mistake. the combat system is just plain nuts!


fix it!!

[Tuberski]

I think a "no" vote would have to be either an accident, or drunkeness.

Or Yin playing with our heads.

[ixnay]

I don't think there's a game anywhere in the world that couldn't be made better, and civ3 is no exception...

[Coracle]

It could have been "better" if they gave it to all of us free to playtest their beta game instead of ripping us off for $50 plus that stupid "Strategy Guide".

[notyoueither]

You bought a strategy guide?

Sorry, but wouldn't 3 threads on Poly have more, better information?

[Mr. Nice Guy]

New Wonders of the World

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Ok, since I'm the one that started this thread I'd like to put in my own little advice for Firaxis:

CIVILIZATION III NEEDS MORE WONDERS OF THE WORLD!!!

No doubt about it, and I've got some great ideas for some new wonders for Civilization III and their effects, prerequisites, and expirations below:
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GREAT WONDERS OF THE WORLD

The Pentagon: This is already in the game, but there really is only one Pentagon in the world, so this should be made into a Great Wonder. This is the ultimate military wonder! The boss of all military wonders! If you want to have the strongest military in world, then this is a must have!
Prerequisite: Military Tradition
Effects:
A. All existing and new military units (those which have an attack value) are given the status of elite, provided that they were originally trained in a city with barracks.
B. All obsolete military units are automatically replaced by advanced modern units.
C. The defense effect of all military city improvements is effectively doubled.
D. The speed at which military units and improvements can be produced is effectively doubled.
Expires: Never.

The White House: That's right! 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue: The most famous address in the world! If one of your goals in Civilization III is to become a strong leader in the Democratic free world, then this is a must have!
Prerequisite: Democracy
Effects:
A. This wonder replaces your palace as the capital building and makes the city in which it was a built your permanent capital, so as long as the White House still exists. The city in which the White House resides is given an advantage: All people in the city are made happy.
B. Your government is immediately changed to Democracy if it is not already and is given a permanent status as a Democracy, so long as the White House still exists. Your government becomes the strongest Democracy in the world. Corruption is virtually eliminated. Your production rate is effectively doubled and your tax income is also doubled. Your workers work 100% faster instead of 50%. Your government can never fall into Anarchy unless the White House is destroyed.
C. You become the undisputed leader of the free Democratic world. All other Democratic civilizations must ally with you. You are also given a Right of Passage and a free Embassy with all the other Democratic nations. If a non-Democratic civilization allies with you it is highly likely that it itself will become a Democratic civilization in the near future.
Expires: Never.

The World Trade Center: We can't forget this one. I figured that in tribute to the victims of September 11th that Firaxis should add this in. Besides, it's effects undoubtedly make sense and are needed in the game.
Prerequisite: The Corporation
Effects:
A. The civilization with the World Trade Center is able trade goods with any civilization, even without roads/rails leading to their capitals.
B. The civilization with the World Trade Center is able to trade any resource available within its borders, even without roads/rails leading to them.
Expires: Never.

SMALL WONDERS OF THE WORLD

The International Space Station: This is an International joint program designed to promote peace throughout the world and to promote the trade of knowledge.
Prerequisite: Satellites
Effects:
A. All civilizations that have the International Space Station Wonder must make peace with one another.
B. All civilizations that have the International Space Station Wonder recieve technologies that have already been discovered by two other civilizations that also have this wonder.
Expires: Never.

The Internet: Many a civilization fans pressed for this to be included in Civilization III, and it's a shame Firaxis left it out. Those bastards! This wonder has a positive effect on your economy, your science rate, and luxuries.
Prerequisite: Computers
Effects:
A. Things are just done easier and more cost effectively with the Internet. Because of this your production rate is effectively doubled.
B. The Internet is the Information Highway and makes research and learning easier and more dispensable. As a result, your science rate is effectively increased by 50%.
C. The Internet can be used as a tool for luxury. It allows network gaming, chatting, online dating, much easier and cheaper to access to porn, and much much more. As a result, your luxury rate is effectively increased by 50%.
Expires: Never.

The Library of Congress: Every civilization should have a one stop place for it's people to go for access to all the knowledge and media that that civilization has to offer. This has an effect on your science rate.
Prerequisite: Education
Effect:
A. Your science rate is effectively increased by 50%.
Expires: Never.

Mission To Mars: In order to get to Alpha Centauri, the technology needed to get there must first be put to the test. So before you can go to Alpha Centauri, you must first successfully reach and build a colony on nearby Mars. This comes after the Apollo Program is completed, which allows you to build the spaceship parts. This wonder cannot be built until you have successfully completed the Apollo Program.
Prerequisite: Space Flight
Effect: Allows you to send a completed spaceship to Alpha Centauri.
Expires: Never.

[TheBirdMan]

How about the missing MP and PBEM facilities?

[Pius Popprasch]

Could game XYZ be made better? Sure.

[Zanzin]

Well...ofcourse it can be made better!!!

My god what kind of troll like poll is this?

[LordBashHeart]

Yeah It could be better

Of course it could be better, thats what the Gold Edition is going to be for (I wish It was a joke) hehe

Anyway, looking at that other thread about improvements, obviously there are a lot of things that need fixing up.

Personally I have been waiting years for these games to go proper 3d, and get rid of the whole grid thing. That has always bugged me.

Otherwise frankly it rocks, Sid Meier (sp?) generally make great games.

-Bashheart

[Flanker]

Cloud9, IMHO those great wonders would make the game too American. There are already a lot of American wonders, so I think they are enough. Civilization must represent all the epic history, not only the modern world, and USA have only been the big boss in the world for half a century or so, or actually just since the breakdown of Soviet Union, which makes ten years.
I also think it´s not at all evident that USA is the "undisputed leader of the free Democratic world". There are pretty many in the world that has a different opinion, there are even pretty many that don´t share the opinion that democracy is the best government. And in fact, India is the biggest democracy in the world, not USA.
World Trade Center? Give me a break. Sure, I won´t argue that what happened September 11th was terrible and a real big thing that made the world different, but to add it as a tribute to the victims? That seems more like a scorn to the victims, IMO. Why not have a wonder which is a tribute to all people that has died in the wars throughout the history? Or by famine?

The small wonders you suggested are ok, but actually, I think the list of wonders is long enough and there are other things that are of more importance to be fixed.