My last thread here: Can someone tell me what is the best way to uninstall Civ3?

[Khab]

For what it's worth, I'll second yin on this and whole-heartedly recommend EU2. Warmly. A lot.

I haven't even looked at the Civ3 shortcut since I installed EU2. I can't see myself doing so anytime soon either. And if you do take the plunge into the unknown, know that the EU forums have some of the nicest, most helpful people around. And Paradox actually SUPPORT their game and LISTEN to their customers. Incidentally, the other day the lead programmer posted a teaser screenshot - of a scenario editor. An editor has NOT been promised or even talked about previously. Also, if you Civ's potential for editing cannot be matched... Don't worry.

I used to love Civ and Civ2 over everything else, bash whomever let go a single breath of criticism about it. Civ3, I couldn't care less.
Firaxis and Sid have fallen prey to their own hype.

[Dale]

It's been so long since I've played Civ3 that WinXP has made the shortcut invisible in the start menu. To be honest, I believe I'm over two months without playing Civ3. Must be able that as the Civ3 CD is now 5 down the stack on my desk. Currently on top are CTP2 (yes I know what you're gunna say, but the MODs may it a good game), and Empire Earth. Yes I know it's a clickfest, but I enjoy it. I just didn't enjoy Civ3.

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by Dale
It's been so long since I've played Civ3 that WinXP has made the shortcut invisible in the start menu. To be honest, I believe I'm over two months without playing Civ3. Must be able that as the Civ3 CD is now 5 down the stack on my desk. Currently on top are CTP2 (yes I know what you're gunna say, but the MODs may it a good game), and Empire Earth. Yes I know it's a clickfest, but I enjoy it. I just didn't enjoy Civ3.

2 thumbs up for CTP2 dude! Haven't played Empire Earth so no judgement there.

[ACooper]

EU(2) may be strategically good games but.........they're boring as hell. Talk about having to play to a formula. The replayability is just not there.

In general terms: it sucks. If it's what you like, that's great, but why poison this forum with that boring crap? If you like their forums go there.

[Khab]

Have you played any one of them? If so, for how long? I've played Civ since 1991, so I figure I can make an educated decision.

Also, I WILL go to the EU forums - that's where I'm at usually. I only stopped by to see if Firaxis had let anyone know anything whatsoever about the scenario editor, or even next patch. Predictably, and disappointingly, they haven't.

But I sure won't stand up an oppurtunity to get someone to try a really good game (IMHO) just because you don't have the brains to ignore posts you don't like.

[ACooper]

I too have played Civ since the first game and every version since then. I also own EU and EU2. With EU it always came down to the same things over and over. And slow and boring EU2 is the same but with more bells and whistles to make is a little more bearable.

I have as much a right to say the the game sucks as you do to say it's great. In fact, I think I go visit there forum tonight and share how much it sucks.


nah.....that'll just make me like you.

[Khab]

I beg to differ. I wasn't flaming Civ3 as much as hyping EU2, and you aren't seriously saying that Firaxis has NOT disappointed you with this?

[Kaak]

be careful. it is possible that the game has contaminated every good and holy thing you had on your computer. The safest bet for uninstallation is some gasoline and a match. DAMN YOU FIRAXIS

[yin26]

Everybody here should try are real game. In case you missed the message: Europa Universalis 2.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by yin26
Yes, EU(2) has a plodding pace but it is punctuated by moments of sheer intensity as your empire rises or crumbles entirely ... often because of missteps you took in any number of, at the time, seemingly trivial areas you didn't consider carefully a few hours earlier. "Perhaps that royal marriage would have kept me in the game?"

So basically 1 screw-up can ruin your game? Boy sounds like fun.

And before you say "oh another Civ 3 fanboy" I don't even play the game anymore. I haven't tried EU2 but that coment above doesn't make it more appetizing.

However, In case you didn't notice this is a CIV 3 site not EU2. go sell EU2 somewhere else, if we wanted to hear about it we would be on the EU2 forums.

[Khab]

Ok. Gone.

going back to the EU forums. You've definetely managed to convince me I really don't want to be here.

[Spook42]

I had also picked up EU2 last month, seeing as its price had gone down to $20.

Having played both Civ3 and EU2 now, I have to state in objectivity that yin26 and others here are correct: for a "historical" or "world-level" strategy game, EU2 gives far more value. It's a HECK of a game for what it now costs. Although my middle-aged muddled mind would've preferred a turn-based OPTION for the EU system.

Civ3 can still be "fun," and seemingly more "epic" in going from bronze age to ballistic missiles. But in terms of the warfare and naval models, trade, economics, religious effects, and especially diplomacy, the EU system has much greater depth in these subelements. Not to mention the vast array of possible "nations" that can now be played. (I'm trying the Ottomans now, with the long-range vision of converting most of Europe to Islam --- but I know it ain't going to be easy. ) Making choices on the "domestic slider," with its whacks against stability, certainly requires some long-term thinking on how one wants his nation's type of governance, trade. The various historical "events" thrown in also helps maintain the historical feel within the game's four-century timeline.

Regrettably, the non-inclusion of coalition armies (or some means of creating specific military coalitions through the diplomatic system) is a significant historical oversight IMO, but otherwise, I think the level of abstraction for land warfare in the EU system is correct. It's an added plus that various "historical" military leaders have gradiated proficiencies, as do the national leaders also.

I suppose the biggest downside to the EU system is that "information overload" is more of an issue than for Civ games. If people don't want to concern themselves with too much subtlety on how economics, trade, religion and diplomacy interact with each other, then Civ3 is certainly more "accessible." But then, some EU/EU2 gamers embrace that very premise. It'd be nice, however, if the manual wasn't printed so damn small.

BTW, who else here, as gamers too of the EU series, show at the EU/EU2 "Community" forums? I've seen some earlier posts by Velociryx on the EU topics, though not EU2.

[Tuberski]

Does EU have a pause function?

[Capt Dizle]

I made a few posts as Frodo Baggins on the EU boards but not many. The average poster there is more mature and intelligent than here and I find my particular posting style inappropriate in a place with some culture.

[Capt Dizle]

Yes, it does. And adjustable speeds so you can cruise through those boring times between wars.