Air superiority

[Barchan]

Originally posted by reefer addict
1.17 is working fine for me. i havent seen an intercept from a carrier yet , not sure if you can. i still cant picture a stealth bomber landing on a carrier deck, i always thought they were used more for jets.

There's a good reason you can't picture a stealth bomber landing on a carrier: it can't really do it. The wingspan of the B-2 is 172 feet, pretty much the size of a 767. A carrier's deck is only 252 feet wide; not much room for error there. The B-2 is also a tad heavy for a carrier deck landing. The notoriously heavy F-14 Tomcat weighs some 72,000 pounds, but the B-2 is nearly five times as heavy at 336,500 pounds. It'd just snap through the arrestor cables like a marathon runner at a finish line and make a very expensive splash off the port bow....

[notyoueither]

Winning the Air War

So you can't have your spanky new Jets escort your aging Bombers against your oppos old Zeros. What's an Air Marshal to do?

What about sending in your Fighters/Jets to bomb the target first? This draws the defending Fighters into combat with units of yours that might actually win the air combat. Then the Bombers fly unopposed (or at least with fewer defending units).

Salve

[kmill25]

Originally posted by Barchan


There's a good reason you can't picture a stealth bomber landing on a carrier: it can't really do it. The wingspan of the B-2 is 172 feet, pretty much the size of a 767. A carrier's deck is only 252 feet wide; not much room for error there. The B-2 is also a tad heavy for a carrier deck landing. The notoriously heavy F-14 Tomcat weighs some 72,000 pounds, but the B-2 is nearly five times as heavy at 336,500 pounds. It'd just snap through the arrestor cables like a marathon runner at a finish line and make a very expensive splash off the port bow....

Very funny, and very true.

The B-2 is always based on land. Part of the reason the USA wanted to get flyover permission from other countries during the Afghan campaign. They had to fly those bastards all the way from the US.

[Solver]

You can have your Fighters knock down theirs.

I bombed a city with my Jet Fighter, and an enemy Fighter came out. My Jet Fighter shot it down and returned back, getting a morale promotion.

[Cookie Monster]

NYE and Solver both suggested a strategy that definately works!

I've done this countless times and it really helps turn the tide in the air war.

[Thrawn05]

Make sure you didn't set the fighters to fort, and that you didn't move the carrier when you set the fighters to air superiority. If you move the carrier, the fighters on AS switch to fort, and you have to reset each of the fighters again. I think that is your problem.

[reefer addict]

does anyone know if you can disallow bombers on carriers . i find that i mostly just use bombers on carriers and jets for AS in my cities. id rather have it more realistic but i would have to find a way to base my bombers near the action. so if you can turn off the bomber/carrier flag is it also possible to create an airbase order for workers and the ability to build one in an ai civ if there is a right of passage agreement and/or alliance?

[Dida]

The big problem with Stealth fighters in Civ3 is their range is only 8. So, if they cannot fit on a carrier, and w/o air field to give them a forward position, w/o being able to be stationed in ally cities, they are pretty much useless.

[korn469]

does anyone know if you can disallow bombers on carriers . i find that i mostly just use bombers on carriers and jets for AS in my cities. id rather have it more realistic but i would have to find a way to base my bombers near the action. so if you can turn off the bomber/carrier flag is it also possible to create an airbase order for workers and the ability to build one in an ai civ if there is a right of passage agreement and/or alliance?

there is a way to disallow bombers on carriers, open the editor and set all fighters to foot soldiers and then set the carrier to carry foot soldiers only

as of now there isn't any easy ways to create airbases, though there is an airbase mod you can download and i think they have gotten this to work to some extent

[planetfall]

air craft range

Are you sure fighter range is still 8?

A major improvement in 1.17 was to increase the range of aircraft. There is not a limit of 8 for bombers. Just for fun I set bomber range to 12 and fighter range to 10. I ran out of time before checking stealth range options. I would think if firaxis fixed normal aircraft they would have also fixed range of steath aircraft. Anyone know for sure?

[Dida]

I have not check with the editor. If that is true, I will make Stealth Bomber's range 25+, so they can take off from bases at home, and bomb the crap out of the AIs.

[korn469]

planetfall

i just now checked on my editor and when you enter a number larger than 8 it says please enter an interger between 1-8 or something of that nature, i am not saying you are wrong though

i am not sure if you know this but the first 1.17f patch that firaxis released had a newer version of the editor than what it was supposed to, and they quickly put up the new patch which they continued to call 1.17f (because nothing had changed in the game just the editor) that contained the correct editor (there was compatability problems susposedly)

it sounds like you have the newer editor, the way to be sure is if you open up the editor then go under help and check the about, if it says your bic version is anything besides 2.10 then you have the newer version

if that is the case could you please tell us what the maximum range for air units in the new editor is? try typing in 99 and if that is too big it will tell you the range

thanks!

[Dida]

unit range is still limited to 8.

[korn469]

Dida

yes in the correct editor it is, but i have a hunch based on planetfall's comments that in the new editor they have increased aircraft range

[Dida]

supposely, I should have the newest editor. If not, someone please post the new editor here.