What happened to the MiG?? Idea for more unique units

[SK138]

Remember when the first screens of Civ3 came out and there was a picture of a MiG jet fighter? I was wondering what happened to that. I want to find two unique units for just about every civ and I think the MiG would be a good Russian one.
Here is what I thought of so far, if you have any ideas on where I can get any of these units, please help me.

Americans - I wasn't really sure, but I was thinking Minutemen or
Sherman tank. I would increase the power of the German panzar and lower the speed, for the Sherman, I would increase the speed and maybe lower the cost.

Russians - MiG 29 or whatever their more modern one is.

Japanese - Zero WW2 fighter, I think this would be a great unit for them.

England - Longbowman or something similar to that.

Chinese- Chu Ko No archer, like in AOE2. Can't think of anything else

If you have any ideas on how I can get some of these units, or help think of others, please tell me.

[Dida]

A civ should have 2 unique units. (more doesn't hurt). One ancient and the other one modern. So, American should not have Serman and F-15, that combo will make it too powerful. Russian Corrsack and MiG-29 make good combo though.

[The Andy-Man]

2UU's for each era sounds good to me.

[Dom Pedro II]

I think for some of these countries, these would be good...

Russia - Cossack, MiG (or T-34 tank could be good)

Germany - Panzer, Axemen(?) or one of those types of units typical of early Germanic tribes

England - Longbowman, Man-O-War

Chinese - Rider, and Treasure Ship (replaces Caravel, carries more units and can go into Ocean squares)

America - Pioneer (Settlers with Attack/Defense capabilities), and F-15

Japan - Samurai, Zero (or maybe some sort of superior battleship??)


the trouble is when you get into some of the other civilizations (the ones that were wiped out rather early in the history of mankind)


Iriqouis - Mounted Warrior, (there is no modern Iriqouis weapon).

Aztec - Jaguar Warrior, (Montezuma's Revenge? Some sort of one-shot bombardment weapon on invaders when the drink the water? )

Zulu - Impi, maybe a Guerilla unit that springs up when cities are captured like in Civ 2??

Persians - Immortals, and... No Clue!

Babylonians - Bowman... hmmm... Skud Missile? I think Iraq will be the closest you'll come to a Babylonian unit.

Romans - Legions, resurrect the Crusader? (or how about a guy on a moped going Ciiaaoo! )

France - Musketeer, and somesort of modern French infantry with retreat capabilities. That way it can turn and run at the first sign of a Panzer... But seriously, how about French Foreign Legion? (I smell another crappy defense unit )

Egypt - War Chariots, and... some sort of unit from the Muslim Jihad?

Greeks - Hoplites, then they just got taken over by the Romans, then the Turks, and after independence they didn't see a whole lot of great units...

Indians - War Elephants, and well, they got the same deal as the Greeks basically... first the Mughals, then the English, and they haven't had anything too spectacular since then.

[Dida]

Out of the 4 greatest ancient civilization, Egypt, Babylon, Greece and China, only the Chinese civilization is still alive and well. All others have gone with the wind.

[Spiffor]

The French should have a specific rifleman, the Napoleonic soldier, with higher attack value or higher speed : because France was the first one in Europe to use massive conscription, just after the revolution, this war-torn country was able to conquer most of Europe (from Spain to Russia) in a few years.

[steelehc]

Spiffor: The Napoleonic armies in France were armed with muskets. They are represented by the musketeer unit fairly well, I think.

I like the pioneer idea, and the MiG sounds good. This would add more depth to the game, I think.

Steele

[redstar1]

Originally posted by Dida
Out of the 4 greatest ancient civilization, Egypt, Babylon, Greece and China, only the Chinese civilization is still alive and well. All others have gone with the wind.

*looks at map of world* eh?

I see Greece and Egypt mate.....

[Dida]

Originally posted by redstar1


*looks at map of world* eh?

I see Greece and Egypt mate.....

I was talking about continuation of civilization. A nation named 'egypt' doesn't mean it belongs to the same civlization that created the pyramid. The same deal for Greece.

[Terser]

My ideas:

Modern Russian unit: Hind helicopter gunship. The latter would of course have to be handled differently than existing CivIII helicopters and aircraft beacause in RL the Hind serves as both a troop transport and an attack chopper.

Chinese Modern Unit: Silkworm cruise missle.

I don't think there is any logical way to introduce modern units for the extinct civs. In some instances it might be possible if you changed the names over time--i.e. Babs become Iraqis and Persians become Iranians.

But in some cases there is simply no way of countering the inconsistency--Americans can't have an ancient UU because they simply weren't around back then (I'm from the U.S.A., btw, before anyone accuses me of American bashing).

The only workaround would be to give an extra UU to some civs but not to others. In the interest of balance you would then have to take abilities away from civs getting an extra UU or add abilities to the civs not getting one. Either way it would require additional "tweaking" of the game's rules.

[SK138]

I like a lot of these ideas, especially the one about the French troops that have the option of retreat, although, maybe it shouldn't be an option and it should be automatic , but it is hard to find unique units for a lot of the civs. I am not any good at creating the units either, so I am trying to find some that I can download. I want them to match ones in the game, some custom units just don't look right compared to the rest of the unit. If anyone can find any of these units, please tell me where they are by emailing me. The address is SK138@adelphia.net

[klesh]

Has anyone made new units for Civ3 at all yet? How are they faring with all the animations and extra files needed for a unit to look the same as the rest?

I am all for new units... but if they arent going to be animated ect.. they'll stick out very bad IMHO. Its either all or none. And what a waste it'll be if we have to have all the units animations turned off just to add our own artwork.

When real scenarios are supported I forsee waves of new unit designs, but with all this talk of extra units now... has anyone come up with any? I suppose I should look in the Civ3 creation or Files forum for that.

-FMK.

[Dida]

The expansion pack should include small wonder such as a 'unit workshop'. After you build it, you can design your own super units. (They will be expansive, so you cannot mass produce them). So, a Japanese can build their own Yamato, and American their F-22.

[SK138]

Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh
Has anyone made new units for Civ3 at all yet? How are they faring with all the animations and extra files needed for a unit to look the same as the rest?

I am all for new units... but if they arent going to be animated ect.. they'll stick out very bad IMHO. Its either all or none. And what a waste it'll be if we have to have all the units animations turned off just to add our own artwork.

-FMK.

There have been a lot of pretty decent looking units out. I saw a fire longbowman, a perry frigate, and a bandit unit that looked just like normal Civ3 units. So yes, people have started making units, and some look quite good.

[Easy Rhino]

Well, one approach to "extinct" civs would be to give their second UU also in the ancient-medieval period.

For instance, the Greeks could have both hoplites and 'greek fire' artillery unit.

Iroqouis could get both mounted warriors and a settler unit with an additional movement point (you know, that whole crossing the land bridge thing).

Other civs, like the Americans, Germans, and Russians, would be 'stacked' towards later aras.

ER