more governments

[davidt77]

id like to see more government types, like fascism, Islamic, and the old Fundamentalism of Civ 2 in Civ 3..

Id really apreciate it if someone would come out with those types of governments, With the appropriate settings for each one. example

fascism, (support more militaryunits without paying for maintance)
more corruption, Rival civilizations more cautious towards you.

Islamic ( Less corruption than democracy, But less productivity, more military support, but not as much as fascism. and this type of government would be kinda like the fundamentalism government in Civ 2 but would have different effects. It should be called ISLAMIC STATE.

and maybe some new types of Governments, like Japenese Imperialism, (emporer), and something else if someone can think of any thing new and cool.

thanks. if anyone knows of a patch or update like that above then let me know.

[Optimizer]

Why should a government type be tied to a specific religion?

[davidt77]

cause thats the way it is, in todays world you have all kinds of governments, Monarchys, Republics, dictatorships, communism, Used to have fascist states (ww2 Germany), islamic states, Imperialist type governments like ww2 Japan. I thought it be cool. thats all.

[Spec]

Originally posted by davidt77
cause thats the way it is, in todays world you have all kinds of governments, Monarchys, Republics, dictatorships, communism, Used to have fascist states (ww2 Germany), islamic states, Imperialist type governments like ww2 Japan. I thought it be cool. thats all.

I agree!

They could also have Masochism!! Makes citizens happy when you pop-rush and "use the whip".


Spec.

[Fresno]

Oligarf told me you can add governments using the editor...

[Willem]

Re: more governments

Originally posted by davidt77


Id really apreciate it if someone would come out with those types of governments, With the appropriate settings for each one. example

Just do it yourself. It's easily done in the editor if you really want to.

[kimmygibler]

I think there was a fascist patch already made. Look at download section mabye...

[steelehc]

A Fascist state would have more corruption until war breaks out, then it would drop to far less the democracy. There is no such thing as an "Islamic State," not in the same way that there are republics. An Islamic State is like a Jewish State, or a Catholic State, a certain kind of government, based on religion. You have a good idea, but it woulkd be better if you renamed it to Fundamentalism. That is a more general term, and one better suited to a form of government.


Other ideas...

Parliamentary Monarchy
Pure Communism (Impossible to achieve, but fun to play with)
Authoritarian Regime of some sort, like a modern Despotism

Steele

[Willem]

Originally posted by steelehc
A Fascist state would have more corruption until war breaks out, then it would drop to far less the democracy. There is no such thing as an "Islamic State," not in the same way that there are republics. An Islamic State is like a Jewish State, or a Catholic State, a certain kind of government, based on religion. You have a good idea, but it woulkd be better if you renamed it to Fundamentalism. That is a more general term, and one better suited to a form of government.


Other ideas...

Parliamentary Monarchy
Pure Communism (Impossible to achieve, but fun to play with)
Authoritarian Regime of some sort, like a modern Despotism

Steele

Theocracy would be a better term than Fundamentalism. Authoritarian Regime would be a Dictatorship, and Pure Communism would be Utopian Socialism. You could also have Social Democracy, or Democratic Socialism, like some of the European nations have now.

[Ironikinit]

The best way to go about it, IMO, is to look at the game and see what it lacks. Mainly it seems to be a line or continuum:

Democracy: High commerce rate, war is difficult.
Republic
Monarchy
Communism
Despotism: Low commerce rate, war is easy.

OK, so I might not have the order just so, but you get the idea. Mostly government type affects commerce (via corruption and raw intake) and the ability to wage war (weariness, draft rate). A further consideration is the police rate.

Now that government specific buildings are possible, it could be possible to make governments that address other problems. For example, Green Socialism. War weariness rate high, medium corruption, can build pollution control buildings prior to the modern period, but if you change governments, they no longer work. I don't really know if that's possible or not under the editor.

OK, it's a goofy example. The point is that you look at what you think is lacking or would be fun in the game and find a real life gov't that fits the bill.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ironikinit
The best way to go about it, IMO, is to look at the game and see what it lacks. Mainly it seems to be a line or continuum:

Democracy: High commerce rate, war is difficult.
Republic
Monarchy
Communism
Despotism: Low commerce rate, war is easy.

OK, so I might not have the order just so, but you get the idea. Mostly government type affects commerce (via corruption and raw intake) and the ability to wage war (weariness, draft rate). A further consideration is the police rate.

Now that government specific buildings are possible, it could be possible to make governments that address other problems. For example, Green Socialism. War weariness rate high, medium corruption, can build pollution control buildings prior to the modern period, but if you change governments, they no longer work. I don't really know if that's possible or not under the editor.

OK, it's a goofy example. The point is that you look at what you think is lacking or would be fun in the game and find a real life gov't that fits the bill.

Most of it is, though there's no adjustment possible for corruption. And you'd still need the proper tech for the buildings. This gov specific thing opens up a number of possibillities. I've been thinking of a gov specific improvement like the Cathedral, so that everytime you switch governments, you'll have to deal with some unhappiness, it won't be just a smooth transition.

It would be great if I could select multiple governments. That way I could switch all the religious buildings off whenever a gov went to Communism, They would have a seperate line of happiness buildings, like the Gulag, which they'd have to build from scratch. That would certainly slow down the war mongers!

[paulmagusnet]

State of Being

Actually I LIKE the idea of an Islamic State, I getting tired of the quasi christian generic RELIGION being promoted. People don't worship generic gods (except possibly the Unitarians). When you research Religion or Philosophy, you should get or be able to choose a particular religion or philosophy.

The reason theocracy hasn't worked in the various civs or seemed too powerful is because there is only one generic religion in the game. In the world, what ever advantages there are to a theocracy are largely offset by the reaction to it by states of other faiths or non-sectarian states.

Basically, your national identity is centered on some unifying principal, religion, race, economics, philosophy, geography, etc. Some of these give you powerful advantages or restrictions. One advantage the US had was that it was formed when an advanced philosophy was available and thus its unifying principal was very broad and non exclusive.

Propose the following:

Philosophical tracks, a short list:

Communitarian (the group is most important)
Romanticism (Reality can't be known, Logic fails, A=A and not A)
Libertarianism (the individual is most important)
Rationalist (Reality can be know, logic works, A=A)
Skepticism (I don't believe)
Nihilism (Kill them all)
Capitalism (Mine is mine, yours is yours, but we can trade)
Altruism (Mine is yours, yours is mine, lets have a give away)
etc.

What you pick affects you ability to choose or maintain a particular goverment type and how strong religion and science are in your sociaty.

A list of Religions including but not limited to:

Animistic
Voodoo
Panthiestic Rome/Greece
Buddist
Shinto
Hindi
Judism
Christianity: Orthodox, Roman, Protestant
Islam: Shia, Sunni

At a minimum, a religion gives you a group identity and possibly some advantages and conflicts.

Governments:

Anarchy
Tribal
Despotism (basically a monarchy without cultural support)
Fascism (quasi socialist/nationalism)
National Socialism (defacto socialism/racism)
Communism (dejure socialism/class hatred)
Democracy (mob rule)
Democratic Socialism (Weimar Republic)
Republic (Advanced mob rule)
Monarchy (quasi socialist/divinely justified)
Theocracy (quasi socialist/gods law-repression of other faiths)

Government Modifiers:

Philosophy
Constitution
Bureaucracy
Legal System
Federation
Empire
City-State
Communications/logistics

Corruption vs Happiness

I'm not really happy with the CIV III corruption model, it makes little sense. It starves the local populance of resources and has little effect beyond that. CIV CTP had a much better model with happiness with central government based upon relative distance. And you could improve control by improving infrastructure because it was based upon movement points, not tile count. A city far enough away could revolt and affect others around it.

[paulmagusnet]

Springtime for Hitler

Originally posted by kimmygibler
I think there was a fascist patch already made. Look at download section mabye...

Yea, I was there. This seems to be where all the Hitler Youth are hanging out these days. You'd be amazed by some of the posts.

[facistdictator]

Paulmagusnet I dont think your opinion is very accurate or intelligent. If people chose to talk about a certain subject of history that does not classify them as supporters of that historical era. I also like the history of ancient rome so go ahead and tell me that I'm praying to venus or some heathern god. I think some of the different dynasties of ancient China are also very interesting so go ahead and say I'm cutting someone's head off with a samarui sword. I'm sorry next time I'll ask the Great all knowing Paulmagusnet what parts of history he likes so I can be under his dictatorial boot. I would understand you making your hasty remark if I were saying I'm a nazi and called everyone racist names but, I did not did I. So just so you know I have friends of different color, and friends of different religions. My name on this forum is simply game based. I like having that type of goverment in the game because I like to win by war. So chill!

[Willem]

Where do you come off? I don't recall him ever mentioning you anywhere in his posts. Struck a little close to home there? Having erotic dreams of jackboots in your sleep? Do you feel this compelling urge to execute a straight arm salute, and strap a Swastika around your arm? What's your problem?