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**notyoueither** · February 15, 2002, 01:52

Yin. I read your post the same way Ming did, the first time I read it. As a shot at the players who are soldiering on.

Ming. I read Yin's post the way he says it the second time I read it.

Firaxis. here's a carrot, now keep pulling the code along.

Yin. You got virtual balls getting into a p*ssing contest with Ming the merciless in his own thread. But, then again, you wouldn't lose much from a week or two off would you? More time with your family.

Maybe it's just me.

Now you two can both jump me.

**yin26** · February 15, 2002, 01:56

Well, if you also mis-read my post the first time, I can see where Ming migh have, also. Ming: Can you agree that you mis-read my first post? If you can, I can agree to get out of your thread here.

SimGolf time? Sounds perfect!

**Ming** · February 15, 2002, 01:56

You are the funny one here. You think that just because you say something, it's the truth.
As far as the carrot and stick, I probably used that in one of my journalism pieces before you were born... so that insult is even funnier.
It's all a matter of opinion. You are welcome to yours, and I'm welcome to mine. If you really look at the thread without your rose colored glasses (hey, do you understand that phrase, I can provide a link if you don't) you would see what other people will see.

So laugh all you want... the sound of laughter is probably always near you

**Akaoz** · February 15, 2002, 01:56

*Grabs his popcorn and enjoys the flames*

-Alech

**yin26** · February 15, 2002, 01:58

Well, now you've dug yourself the most rediculous of holes. You now claim to understand the meaning of carrot and the stick and yet are so bold as to say that the English language morphs to fit your own joy of making threats?

Sorry, Old Timer. You're wrong. Sit down and ponder the feeling.

**Ming** · February 15, 2002, 01:58

I wouldn't calling it miss reading your post. It's obvious that one can see it in many different ways... and since people aren't mind readers here (and if somebody is, please contact me because I have a business deal for you)

**yin26** · February 15, 2002, 02:00

I see. So the thread had FIRAXIS in the title, by my comment means GAMERS. Brilliant.

Forget the mind reading. Stick with common sense.

**Ming** · February 15, 2002, 02:03

Originally posted by yin26
Well, now you've dug yourself the most rediculouts of holes. You now claim to understand the meaning of carrot and the stick and yet are so bold as to say that the English language morphs to fit your own joy of making threats?

Sorry, Old Timer. You're wrong. Sit down and ponder the feeling.

I don't need to... It is obvious that I'm not the only one to take your comment the way I did. And I'm not Morphing the language.
One could see your use of the carrot and stick as "give them a little of what they are looking for, and the suckers will keep coming to us with more money"...

So again... I do understand the meaning...

**Ming** · February 15, 2002, 02:04

Originally posted by yin26
Forget the mind reading. Stick with common sense.

Common sense... after somebody else said they could see it both ways... I am using common sense. are you

**yin26** · February 15, 2002, 02:05

Link.

The debate has been confused from time to time by imagining one stick from which the carrot is dangled and another kept in reserve as a whip; but I imagine that the original image in the minds of those who developed this expression was a donkey or mule laden with cargo rather than being ridden, with its master alternately holding a carrot in front of the animal's nose (by hand, not on a stick) and threatening it with a switch. Two sticks are too many to make for a neat expression.

For me, the clincher is that no one actually cites the form of the "original expression." In what imaginable context would it possibly be witty or memorable to say that someone or something had been motivated by a carrot on a stick? Why not an apple on a stick, or a bag of oats? Boring, right? Not something likely to pass into popular usage.

This saying belongs to the same general family as "you can draw more flies with honey than with vinegar." It is never used except when such contrast is implied.

For somebody who supposedly wrote a paper on the topic, you must not have done your homework. I could care less how you or other people mis-read a standard English phrase. Read the definition above and get back to me. I know how *I*was using the phrase ... the accepted and standard way. How you twist it beyond that is your own unsupported business.

**yin26** · February 15, 2002, 02:08

I'd also like to note that instead of looking up the accepted meaning, Ming, you have now carried on close to a full page of garbage when, supposedly, you wanted the thread to stay on-topic.

Which is where I started.

**Ming** · February 15, 2002, 02:12

Uhhh... you may have posted a single post on topic... and again, using your own logic, I was on topic when I responded to Jimmy's post. So you were the one to start the personal insults and the spam. So... if you were right in your logic, you are wrong in your other assumptions. Unless you were wrong in your logic

**yin26** · February 15, 2002, 02:13

I get it now! You're just trolling!

That's cool. You had me worried for a second, Ming. Geez. Don't doooo that again! LOL!

**Ming** · February 15, 2002, 02:14

Originally posted by yin26
I get it now! You're just trolling!

Well... you were... so why should you have all the fun

**ColdWizard** · February 15, 2002, 02:16

blah blah blah

Worst. Threadjack. Ever.

i'm surprised that neither of you have anything better to do than engage in a pissing contest over who's wrong about who spammed first, but whatever floats your boat.

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