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I've seen a lot of people have a go at Firaxis for thier destruction of Civilisation III, and other reasons. People feel cheated by them , and feel like they, the loyal consumer doesnt matter anymore. whilst this is quite true , people do not realise Firaxis are no different to any company, like Eidos for example.
Profit will ALWAYS come before the interests/satisfaction of the Loyal consumers in any company that exists, hence every good game taken over by a big company will go down the same route as Civ III .
Nearly every good game is born by a gamer (or gamers) themselves (In this case old Sid), but as a game become more and more popular, it's potential profitability becomes higher, and a big company will buy the rights to develop the game, and then it's numbers on P&L accounts, rather than smiling faces that takes precidence.
Civilisation II, and Championship Manager 97/98, and Elite Frontier II, are 3 of my all time favorite games, these games were born from the dreams of thier creaters. But once they captured the imagination of a large audience, the dream was exploited to make greater profit until the dream is dead and all is left is game which sells copies by living on the game's past glory and the 'casual gamers' desires.
I dont feel Civ III is nearly as good as it could be, I'm annoyed sure, but I understand WHY it's happening, and how powerless we are to stop this. Libitarian Moaning on this boards is guaranteed to have zero effect on the polocies of Firaxis.
We would all like to See the games we have really took to just get better and better, and are upset when they dont, but how many of us really have contributed towards it's creation?? we have all put our money into buying the game, but we will all agree we have our money's worth too. The problem is, a demand to pay for a product, on it's own simply isnt enough to get what we truly want out of a game. If we really want a good game, what we feel Civ III should be, the 'hardcore' fans should attempt to develop such a game for themselves - This is the best chance of getting what we really want from a game. I myself am no expert coder, my knowledge of programming is quite limited, but if i dont put in anything, I cant expect anything more out of the game apart from the £35 which I invest to buy it, which i feel I have got a good return for.
A lot of people want a lot more, but how much more are they actually willing to put in??
Profit will ALWAYS come before the interests/satisfaction of the Loyal consumers in any company that exists, hence every good game taken over by a big company will go down the same route as Civ III .
Nearly every good game is born by a gamer (or gamers) themselves (In this case old Sid), but as a game become more and more popular, it's potential profitability becomes higher, and a big company will buy the rights to develop the game, and then it's numbers on P&L accounts, rather than smiling faces that takes precidence.
Civilisation II, and Championship Manager 97/98, and Elite Frontier II, are 3 of my all time favorite games, these games were born from the dreams of thier creaters. But once they captured the imagination of a large audience, the dream was exploited to make greater profit until the dream is dead and all is left is game which sells copies by living on the game's past glory and the 'casual gamers' desires.
I dont feel Civ III is nearly as good as it could be, I'm annoyed sure, but I understand WHY it's happening, and how powerless we are to stop this. Libitarian Moaning on this boards is guaranteed to have zero effect on the polocies of Firaxis.
We would all like to See the games we have really took to just get better and better, and are upset when they dont, but how many of us really have contributed towards it's creation?? we have all put our money into buying the game, but we will all agree we have our money's worth too. The problem is, a demand to pay for a product, on it's own simply isnt enough to get what we truly want out of a game. If we really want a good game, what we feel Civ III should be, the 'hardcore' fans should attempt to develop such a game for themselves - This is the best chance of getting what we really want from a game. I myself am no expert coder, my knowledge of programming is quite limited, but if i dont put in anything, I cant expect anything more out of the game apart from the £35 which I invest to buy it, which i feel I have got a good return for.
A lot of people want a lot more, but how much more are they actually willing to put in??
Actually, my little quip needs to be qualified in knowing which fora are bent on squelching negatives posts and the ones that are not. Regarding EU, the fanboys and the constructive critics have gravitated towards Paradox' forum, but by no means is it universally loved, as you imply. IMHO, EU sucks as a game, regardless of the amount of positiveness in the forum and the amount of PR by Paradox. Good posts and good PR doth not a good game make.
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