Corruption: Democracy vs. Republic

[cheerful]

Has anyone quantified the difference of corruption between Democracy and Republic? I am trying to figure out if it is worthwhile to research democracy early.

[bahoo]

To add to the question, what about the difference between war weariness in the two?

[Deornwulf]

Corruption Levels

The corruption levels for Democracy are Minimal while those of a Republic are a Nuisance. I hope those two adjectives clear things up for you. The official recommendation would be to buy the Prima Official Strategy Guide. I checked in one at Barnes & Noble and was enlightened by their insight that a Democracy reduces the level of corruption experienced by a Republic.

BTW: The editor has the same level of helpful information.

Deornwulf - The Very Cynical English Teacher

[cheerful]

My test result

No one seems to have a direct answer. So here is my test result:

Standard map, about 30 cities, with Capital and FP built at good location (double ring with a lobe extending from one side).

Republic: 18.6% corruption
Democracy: 16.5% corruption

The date is from Domestic Advisor.

I hope more people will post the data. This way we can have better judgement on the research path.

[Velociryx]

Deornwulf. B ut whaddya 'spect from a company whos idea of great strategy is:

"....ummmm....build settlers in the early game....dude."

-=Vel=-

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Deornwulf. B ut whaddya 'spect from a company whos idea of great strategy is:

"....ummmm....build settlers in the early game....dude."

-=Vel=-

[Unregistered]

Re: My test result

Originally posted by cheerful
No one seems to have a direct answer. So here is my test result:

Standard map, about 30 cities, with Capital and FP built at good location (double ring with a lobe extending from one side).

Republic: 18.6% corruption
Democracy: 16.5% corruption

The date is from Domestic Advisor.

I hope more people will post the data. This way we can have better judgement on the research path.

Do you remember what your gnp was under each govt? You should be making more money under democracy..

Thanks,

[cheerful]

GNP

IIRC, they are roughly the same -- about 1050. Since you need to switch gov and undergo anarchy for a few turns, can't compare to last digit.

[cheerful]

GNP

IIRC, they are roughly the same -- about 1050. Since you need to switch gov and undergo anarchy for a few turns, can't compare to last digit.

Why democracy generate better GNP? As as commerce and production goes, democracy and republic seem to be the same to me, except worker is faster under democracy. Isn't it?

[David Weldon]

Cheerful,
Yup, the total trade generated is equal between the two. They both get a bonus trade in any square already producing trade.

I did a similar test a long time ago and had my non-corruption income go from 1213 to 1278 (or so, it was about +60 on a base of 1200). Not very impressive. As for war-weariness I have no numbers, but I have never experienced any weariness under Republic, whereas I have under Democracy. I think the war-weariness difference is substantial.

I think the corruption effects are influenced by another factor, however. There is distance-based corruption and too-many-cities-based corruption. Most things that reduce corruption only operate on the first kind. If you have too many cities for your world size, the corruption that results is nearly un-preventable. The result is that Democracy might help a lot, but only if you aren't already experiencing type 2 corruption.

Even though it doesn't really help (and in fact it makes war more difficult), I still go to Democracy for the faster workers. Anything that reduces micro-management by allowing me to get the same job done with fewer units is worth it in my book.

[Badtz Maru]

Lately I have been holding off on switching to Democracy until I get Steam Power, unless I still have a lot of terraforming to do by the time I get it, as it's biggest benefit (in my opinion) is making your workers 50% faster. An Industrious civilization with Democracy and with Replaceable Parts builds FAST.

[Redstar]

are you guys serious??

I'm a demo in the year 2070 playing the english (started in australia so obviously i'm just playing for fun)

I am building a forbidden palace. I have only 36 more turns to go (remember its now 2070 and i started it like 150 turns ago (or 320 when i first started building).)

I have the police station and the courthouse.

yet here is why i post....In the city i am trying to build FP in...

i produce 24 shields and only 6 are not wasted.

30 commerce and only 7 are not wasted.

Should corruption really be this bad without a palace influence?

If so, how do you guys manage to throw in a forbidden palace when it takes so long to build in a corrupt 3rd world?

( heh, i changed my question slightly as i realized that my corruption would of course be higher since it was not ameliorated by the palace )

I agree..50% faster workers is a huge bonus until you have developed everything.

[SithUK]

Edit the bicstats file with the editor and reduce the cost of the Palace and the FP to 1. No more 1000turns to build a FP or relocate your palace =)

Sith

[Fayadi]

Re: Corruption Levels

Originally posted by Deornwulf
The corruption levels for Democracy are Minimal while those of a Republic are a Nuisance. I hope those two adjectives clear things up for you. The official recommendation would be to buy the Prima Official Strategy Guide. I checked in one at Barnes & Noble and was enlightened by their insight that a Democracy reduces the level of corruption experienced by a Republic.

BTW: The editor has the same level of helpful information.

Deornwulf - The Very Cynical English Teacher

Do you work for Prima ?You are the first person I know to recommend Prima official strategy guide
Tell you what.....Prima Guide sucks!!big time!!!What the helll.....I have 2 prima guide free from Starcraft Battlechest and they both sucks.....My friend told me that Civ3 prima guide sucks too,the tips are for newbies !All are newbies strategies....Prima sucks!the guide are good only for newbies!

[Dev]

Dripping sarcasm is lost on some~

/dev