Over Rated big time!

[yin26]

...its just that your one of those...

This particular grammatical mistake truly annoys me ...

[Be'lial]

Just to point out - how can anyone consider this game to be massively bugged?

As far as I can tell, there was *one* serious bug in the first release - the air superiority problem. And I'm sorry, but I expect that most civ players would never encounter this, given that by the time modern tech rolls round a lot of players have already won.

(I personally *still* haven't used fighters at all in my games).

Looking at the bug list for the patch, most appear to be spelling mistakes, or peculiar wierd effects (extra long names,, etc etc.)

If you want to shout about bugs, go buy Diablo II, Baldurs Gate II Throne of Baal, Everquest : Shadows of Luclin, or any one of a *huge* number of modern releases that are seriously bugged.

Yes, Civ 3 had several bugs that should have been noticed - but it was playable out of the box, and compared to most other PC software is actually far superior for bugs after just one patch, never mind the 3 or 4 thats expected for a game nowadays.

Out of all the games I've bought over the past 6 months, Civ 3 has been the best for bugs and such, and I go through a lot of games.

(Note, thats a completely different to the idea of polishing the game up a bit - I agree completely it needs further changes, such as corruption).

[dissent]

Civ3 is very buggy compared to other releases this year, IMHO. I've tried a few, most notably Empire Earth, Sims: Hot Date, DAoC, Black and White, etc. Compared to other Firaxis/Microprose titles, Civ3 has been even more buggy. I had no problems with SMAC, Gettysburg, Civ2, and minor problems with Civ1, but we have to take the OS back then into consideration. Sure, it is nearly impossible to release a bug-free product, but Sid's team has had a decent track record so far, at least compared to other gaming companies.

The Air Superiority was not the only bug I saw. There were many, and they caused the game to be virtually unplayable for me pre-patch, though I tried my best anyway. The game has been relatively stable for me, but I have read many complaints by others, specifically those on XP, who have had crash problems.

I've said this in another thread, but it's worth saying again. Civ3 is a decent game now, even with the bugs and some balance issues, but it WILL BE an amazing game, well deserving of all the praise it has already received, once it is patched, has a decent editor, and has MP (assuming this happens). For me, being a long-time Civ buff, I would hardly consider it Overrated. It is the best Civ title so far, and was well worth my $50.

[DaShi]

Civ3 buggier than BnW!!!!!!!!!!!! I haven't bought Civ3, but I'd have imagined that nothing could be buggier than BnW.

[korn469]

i think that desert dog is right, that civ3 is over rated, but i would give it an 8.5, it's a good game, just not great in my opinion

but i guess this is civ3's greatest flaw
fallout tactics is probably a worse game than civ3, but i had lower expectations for it and enjoy it more

i get dissapointed as hell to see all of the improvements in civ3, then to see things like combat and diplomacy that are worse than civ2 and SMAC respectively

EDIT: still though if you liked civ2 {and aren't fanatically obsessed with it, but then why are you here? } civ3 is worth the money

[Desert Dog]

Re: Re: PLEASE!

Originally posted by splangy


A:learn how to spell (it's except, not accept) B: Learn that many people have oppinions THAT AREN'T THE EXACT SAME AS YOURS!!! The game hasn't crashed once for me BTW... unbalenced.

you need to relise your not the center of the universe, and that very few people care what you think. Now, GET A LIFE

Okay you really gave it a good try flaming me! You mispelled much more than I did SON! I am 46 years old need glasses and do not wear them half the time. I am glad the game has not crashed once on you. I know at least 30 people who are customers of mine who are. Some of them did not even purchase their PC from me. I am not insulted by your comments. Many of the bugs I refer to are not crashes. Just really bad approach to something that has already been done in another game.
I like the game in general but little things being broke is quite annoying. Like the workers running around in a loop, or building mines, then later irrigating over it, later switching again. I have a list not my personal complaint list but a real list of problems. Later..

Desert Dog

[Desert Dog]

Your right I am mad!

Originally posted by Be'lial
Just to point out - how can anyone consider this game to be massively bugged?

As far as I can tell, there was *one* serious bug in the first release - the air superiority problem. And I'm sorry, but I expect that most civ players would never encounter this, given that by the time modern tech rolls round a lot of players have already won.

(I personally *still* haven't used fighters at all in my games).

Looking at the bug list for the patch, most appear to be spelling mistakes, or peculiar wierd effects (extra long names,, etc etc.)

If you want to shout about bugs, go buy Diablo II, Baldurs Gate II Throne of Baal, Everquest : Shadows of Luclin, or any one of a *huge* number of modern releases that are seriously bugged.

Yes, Civ 3 had several bugs that should have been noticed - but it was playable out of the box, and compared to most other PC software is actually far superior for bugs after just one patch, never mind the 3 or 4 thats expected for a game nowadays.

Out of all the games I've bought over the past 6 months, Civ 3 has been the best for bugs and such, and I go through a lot of games.

(Note, thats a completely different to the idea of polishing the game up a bit - I agree completely it needs further changes, such as corruption).

Your right I am mad that is all. The patch caused the game to crash. I only had crashes before that when I gave too many bonuses to my civ messing around with editor.

I am having a blast with Korn's Blitz mod. It works much better then the patch which is funny!
The game has some little silly bugs. It is annoying that they left out some proven game play techniques from civ 2 and smac. I am disappointed and mad. Sorry to spoil anyone's party. At least you are not hammering my spelling, give me a break how big a geek are you when you get on someone for typo's in message forums .

Desert Dog

[Desert Dog]

huh?

Originally posted by yin26
This particular grammatical mistake truly annoys me ...

You annoy me now go away!

Desert Dog

[Evil Robot]

Re: Your right I am mad!

Originally posted by Desert Dog


Your right I am mad that is all. The patch caused the game to crash. I only had crashes before that when I gave too many bonuses to my civ messing around with editor.

I am having a blast with Korn's Blitz mod. It works much better then the patch which is funny!
The game has some little silly bugs. It is annoying that they left out some proven game play techniques from civ 2 and smac. I am disappointed and mad. Sorry to spoil anyone's party. At least you are not hammering my spelling, give me a break how big a geek are you when you get on someone for typo's in message forums .

Desert Dog

First: Just to piss you off, you spelled typos wrong. It's 'typos' not 'typo's'. Also, your subject should read 'You're' instead of 'Your'. I really hope that was intentional sarcasm

Secondly: A mod CANNOT fix stability issues (as far as crashing goes). That is all internal code that is not released to the public. All it can is change the rules around and such.

Thirdly: I'm having a blast with the game. Military units are fairly balanced IMNSHO (meaning, I have to WORK for my victories) and the AI is fairly tough at the higher difficulty levels.

-ER

[Q Classic]

if you could see me now, i would be waving a big stick, thwacking it on the hothead's skulls, and asking for calm.

some people don't like civ3. some people do.

it's a fact. get over it. don't start b|tching at each other because of differences of opinion, please. don't go for ad hominem attacks, don't try to erode their credibility by hitting them below the belt, i.e., avoiding their reasons and going straight for the persona.

that's just not... kosher, for lack of a better word.

that said:

but see, i don't think it's overrated. reviews are, once you think about it, opinions. those that reviewed it who gave it high scores may well have liked it a lot. so they gave it high rankings. maybe there just weren't that many tbs games to choose from this year (i actually can't think of that many released)

that also said:

i dunno. i like the game. i do. but i see a lot of places where it could definitely be improved upon, such as combat, queueing (i don't like not being able to save more than 1 queue), diplomatic options (smac/x had a lot more... and a lot better), and general slowness (it's the interface. i dunno, it just feels slower. not because of the nvidia drivers, not because it takes longer to play with the techtree chokepoints... i mean the interface just seems slower... fewer clicks, perhaps, to change lots of things, but not as easy to access with keyboard shortcuts, i guess...)

overall, though, i don't think firaxis has been so bad about things as infogrames. infogrames ought to be the pariah, the one that is to be tarred, feathered, battered, fried, dunked, and iced. they're the ones that i think rushed production, they're the ones being anal about modding rights and strategy guide rights.

and as for the grammar stuff...

let's drop it. i really don't want to point out every single flaw i see.

[player1]

I don't know about you guys but my opininon is:

8.5/10 (before patch)

8.8/10 (after first patch)


9.5/10 (after 3-10 patches, or when MP is out)

good sides: VERY addictive
bad sides: It just NEEDs patches, no MP

[Green Giant]

Actually this game is overrated. I agree with that. But I am still haveing a blast, especially post-patch. I have XP and the game has never crashed.

[Desert Dog]

Re: Re: Re: PLEASE! Thanks!

Originally posted by Nuke gay whales


Don't you just love people who criticize others while making the same mistakes? If you are going to act smart and pick on someone’s English, then maybe you should make sure that your writing skills are perfect...

"oppinions" only has one p
"english" should be capitalized
"lieing" is spelt "lying"
"dont" should be don't
"dosen't" is spelt "doesn't"
"unbalenced" is spelt "unbalanced"
"relise" is spelt "realize"

Hey EVERYONE makes mistakes - so stop picking on this guys errors when you seem to have difficulty yourself...

Thank you for backing me up even if I was slightly out of line. I am extremely disappointed with civ 3, however it is far from a terrible game. It is better then Call To Power that it seems to be built around at least! I am sure they will fix most problems the things they did not include in this game from previous proven techniques just blows me away! This is why I say Sid had very little to do with the design of the game!

Desert Dog

[Desert Dog]

Re: Re: Your right I am mad!

Originally posted by Evil Robot


First: Just to piss you off, you spelled typos wrong. It's 'typos' not 'typo's'. Also, your subject should read 'You're' instead of 'Your'. I really hope that was intentional sarcasm

Secondly: A mod CANNOT fix stability issues (as far as crashing goes). That is all internal code that is not released to the public. All it can is change the rules around and such.

Thirdly: I'm having a blast with the game. Military units are fairly balanced IMNSHO (meaning, I have to WORK for my victories) and the AI is fairly tough at the higher difficulty levels.

-ER

You really have a complex don't you? Does it make you feel better correcting my grammer? Or does it make your ego bigger? Whatever the case STOP BEING A FREAKING GEEK!
I am glad your happy with the game, I am not and I am entitled to have my own opinion even if I mispell ever single word! You are only making an ass out of yourself trying to be a freaking teacher or something whatever your motive. I am far from an idiot you are trying to make me out to be!

My point about the mod is that it is more stable then the patch! Are you trying to show your intelligence by trying to tell me the difference between a mod and a patch? You loose if that is the case big time!
I am a civ 2 addict that is really disappointed by the way civ 3 is designed. Plain and simple. If you don't like my opinion then don't read it and don't respond to it!
I am not pissed I am annoyed with having to put up with the little KIDDIE comments from the peanut gallery!

You are not doing anything but making a fool out of yourself so go ahead and keep correcting my english!

Desert Dog

[gachnar]

CTP? You're drunk.

Originally posted by Desert Dog
It is better then Call To Power that it seems to be built around at least!

You keep saying this. Did you actually play CTP? Did you actually play SMAC or CivII? Have you seen the games?

I wanna see a good (and with some luck, comprehensible) comparison between the Civ3 and CTP engines. I have trouble that even you believe the words you are spouting.