I would like to copy the CD

[kailhun]

What! No! Outrage. Are you mad? Impossible. Illegal!

Now calm down. It is my opinion that it is my legal right to copy a cd that I own for backup purposes. I have purchased the right to the software and I would like that right safeguarded by making a backup copy of the CD.
I do not believe that sending in a damaged CD and waiting for a replacement is sufficient guaranty for my right to use the software that I have purchased. First of all this denies me the use of the software for the period the CD's are in transit and secondly as soon as Infogrames looses interest in the game and moves on to the next flavour of the month they will not have replacement CD's or be inclined to help me quickle and efficiently.
Buying Civ III again is also not an option. At some point the game will no longer be available in the shops and why should I buy a right I already have but cannot use because the medium of the software is damaged?
No, it is my right to copy the CD!

I have tried, but to no avail.
Infogrames and fellow gamers please to repsond to this breach of my right of ownership.

Robert

[UnforgiveMe2000]

I believe under the copyright law as is now you can backup your cd for personal use..the illegal part is when you redisturbute it as as warez or try to sell it

[yin26]

Do you have the CloneCD program?

[yin26]

By the way, I'd like to point you to a site: www.gamecopyworld.com

Note that they make it very clear that the services they provide are only for people seeking to make backups of software they own.

[sophist]

The law doesn't mandate that people who sell these products give you that capability. It merely states that they cannot take away your fair use rights using the legal system. If they use technological means to prevent you from exercising fair use, there's not much you can do about it besides downloading a crack. And these companies hate those hacks, so they're now illegal under the DMCA. Welcome to America.

Originally posted by UnforgiveMe2000
I believe under the copyright law as is now you can backup your cd for personal use..the illegal part is when you redisturbute it as as warez or try to sell it

[Akka]

Well, DL the no-CD crack. It will allow you to use a burned copy of your CD, and as you already have the game it's perfectly legal.
And considering how Infogrames is behaving, I would say that even if you would not have the game, it's still completely moral

[Simpleton]

Copy for backup purposes. Yah right. I've done many "backup" copies. Somehow they always end up at my buddies house and I never see them again. I don't know what happens????

[cassembler]

General consumer copy programs don't like to copy games... That's what makes them bundle software, etc...

[sophist]

I did download it. It's not legal just because I have the game. It's a method of circumventing a copy protection device. It doesn't matter if I have already purchased the right to access the medium. That's the law.

Originally posted by Akka le Vil
Well, DL the no-CD crack. It will allow you to use a burned copy of your CD, and as you already have the game it's perfectly legal.
And considering how Infogrames is behaving, I would say that even if you would not have the game, it's still completely moral

[Executor]

If you use CloneCD and have a CD-R that supports DAO RAW + subchannel you can create a perfect copy of the CD, with no need for a crack.

[kailhun]

Originally posted by UnforgiveMe2000
I believe under the copyright law as is now you can backup your cd for personal use..the illegal part is when you redisturbute it as as warez or try to sell it

Not only is it allowed as in not forbidden by any law. It is your right as buyer of software. My right has been infringed by the copyright protection on the CD. Curses. I wish this infringment to stop.

Robert

[kailhun]

Originally posted by sophist
The law doesn't mandate that people who sell these products give you that capability. It merely states that they cannot take away your fair use rights using the legal system. If they use technological means to prevent you from exercising fair use, there's not much you can do about it besides downloading a crack. And these companies hate those hacks, so they're now illegal under the DMCA. Welcome to America.

This is not a matter of specific computer law, but of the protection of property rights which are/can be guaranteed under constitutions and under at least one European Human Rights Treaty (I think the English term is the Treaty of Rome).
Property is protected and can not be taken away or dimished at random/will. This means that Computer law can not take away/dimish my right to use the software I bought without a bloody good reason (BTW 'I want to make as much money as possible' is not a bloody good reason).
Copyright laws in general and computer law in particular is in my opinion slanted towards the exploiter (not the programmer or the consumer). Not only do I not agree with this. It is my opinion that these laws are in violation of higher law (Consitutions/Treaties) and therefore can not be applied to the fullest. They are either void or their apllication has to be adapted to take the right to property into full account.

I maintain that it is my right to copy my CD for backup purposes.

Robert

[kailhun]

Originally posted by sophist
I did download it. It's not legal just because I have the game. It's a method of circumventing a copy protection device. It doesn't matter if I have already purchased the right to access the medium. That's the law.

Which law? Remember that American law does not apply to the world at large.

Why would adapting the program to use it without the CD be illegal if you own the CD? I can see why Infogrames wouldn't like it, but the fact that someone doesn't like something does not make that thing illegal.

Robert

[kailhun]

I think most people reading this thread will think something along the lines of: 'Nice legal rambling, mate. But you know as well as I do that if copy protection is removed people will copy the games like rabbits on viagra.'

To this I say:

-The program will be copied anyway. Copyprotection does not stop largescale copying of CD's for non-backup purposes. I have heard at least one case of CIV III being downloadable from the net.
-Civ II didn't need the CD and could be copied. It sold well enough for the Greedy Corporate Bast*rds to want to make and sell Civ III.
-The reason games are so expensive is because of pirating. So in fact Infogrames has already made the money that they lose through copying by selling the game to me. This means that if the copyprotection worked (stopped pirating) then Civ III would have to be cheaper because Infogrames doesn't lose money through pirating.

Robert

[Dev]

Reverse enginering someone elses intellectual property is definately illegal and that's what it takes to crack the cd protection.
Most countries (at least in Europe) have a mandatory warranty on all new products so if the disk breaks from NORMAL use within that period you have the right to demand a replacement.
If it breaks after the period ends you can go buy a new copy just like you'd buy a new TV to replace your broekn one etc.

Just because you in some cases can copy/backup software you don't have a god given right to do so.


/dev