Am I the only one that thinks Civ 3 is better than Civ 2?

[Morganstern]

Civ 3 is unquestionably better than Civ 2, notwithstanding the whiners. One hopes that they are merely comparing the real Civ 3 to the one in their dreams, but one cannot be certain of that. The Combat model is superior, and I don't miss the rigid ZOC model one bit. The player is given considerably more latitude in choosing strategies, or sub-strategies. The cartoonish events (Global warming converts the entire globe) are ameliorated or eliminated altogether. The game isn't perfect, and I haven't completely "warmed up" to it as I have Civ 2 during the past several years, but I expect to.

[Frito]

Civ3 is better then Civ2 now, and when some bugs are patched it will be a lot better then Civ2. It seems like most people only talk about what they don't like about the game and never about whats good in it. Its nice to see a more positive thread.

[xane]

The "winning formulae" was established with Civ1, and I feel it has been maintained through to Civ2 and Civ3. I have to agree many people argue from a standpoint that Civ should be a different genre.

The problem is Civ and all its variations are a genre in their own right, the closest a non-Civ game has come to joining is something like Populus.

I like Civ3, I've only played a few games on it but enough to know I will not be going back to Civ2. Pity because I wanted to revisit "Conflicts" again, now I'm not so sure

[Stuie]

Re: Am I the only one that thinks Civ 3 is better than Civ 2?

Originally posted by MattHiggs
I beleive Civ 3 is a great improvement.

Civ3 is an awesome game, and will only get better with the forthcoming patch. The whiners are just upset that their "vision" of civ was not met; guess they think they should replace Sid Meier or something. I also find it amazing how people can completely distort the impact of what few bugs there are. The game is quite playable and enjoyable as is; the air interception bug is a minor inconvenience in my games, and no other "bug" comes anywhere near to seriously impacting play.

I say, "Nice job Firaxis."

[Th0mas]

CIV III appriciation Society..

Originally posted by Stuie


Civ3 is an awesome game, and will only get better with the forthcoming patch. The whiners are just upset that their "vision" of civ was not met; guess they think they should replace Sid Meier or something. I also find it amazing how people can completely distort the impact of what few bugs there are. The game is quite playable and enjoyable as is; the air interception bug is a minor inconvenience in my games, and no other "bug" comes anywhere near to seriously impacting play.

I say, "Nice job Firaxis."

here here

I can understand peoples frustrations, however sometimes I think they protest to much ...

As a community we should keep things in perspective and celebrate that Fraxis have delivered a fantastic game.

Ooooo I'm getting a warm feeling all over

[Raleigh]

I love Civ3 and it is definitely much improved over Civ 2 overall, but I feel the game (1) is definitely a step backwards in some ways (2) doesn't have the Sid Meier touch for detail (3) inexplicably didn't build on many features of predecessors.

1. IMHO, the combat system, although interesting in some new ways definitely took a step backwards with respect to modern and ancient units. This may sound silly, but perhaps the major innovation I was looking for in this game was an elimination of the battleship/phalanx problem. Well, ok, they did solve this but not the battleship/caravel problem or tank/hoplite problem. The game designers made a conscious decision to do this for "game balance" which is their right, but I feel like they made a very wrong decision.

2. How about the wonder movies? Their excuse that they disrupted the game is so lame it sounds like a bald faced lie, since they give you pictures that disrupt the game anyway. Those movies provide the warm and fuzzy feelings that give players true loyalty to a game. The fact that the wonder pictures don't even tell you what they do is also disturbing. Also, the various interface gaffes are inexplicable. The inability to sort cities and keep them sorted. The ability to access civlopedia everywhere except where it is most needed at the building que, etc. Where was sid meier? Taking his Elvis picture?

3. How about SMAC's ability to look at terrain improvements as well terrain? I could go either way on unit customization, but sentry and patrol, why not? Etc.

[GodSpawn]

Yup, I love it too. The dark circles under my eyes will attest to that...

[Trifna]

Well it's a minority that thinks that Civ II is better, but I still think that Civ III has somuch more potential... Hope Firaxis' patch will finish this beta, cuz letting Civ III to a beta state would be seriously not very correct.

[jbavon]

Originally posted by Raleigh
2. How about the wonder movies? Their excuse that they disrupted the game is so lame it sounds like a bald faced lie, since they give you pictures that disrupt the game anyway. Those movies provide the warm and fuzzy feelings that give players true loyalty to a game. The fact that the wonder pictures don't even tell you what they do is also disturbing. Also, the various interface gaffes are inexplicable. The inability to sort cities and keep them sorted. The ability to access civlopedia everywhere except where it is most needed at the building que, etc. Where was sid meier? Taking his Elvis picture?

I don't mind people being annoyed with combat figures and the like, those can be changed, what I do mind is complaining that is by some standards lame.

For example the Wonder thing: You really have a problem with the Wonder-"movie" not showing what it does? How about closing the window, and letting the advisor give you the pop-up where it says "X completed Great Library" ... and you can click the Great Library to see its benefits.

Also, theres a mod out there that puts the info into the wonder movie.

Also, since when have wonder movies been all that fantastic in civ? I actually much prefer the Civ3 way of doing it. It has atmosphere.


But lets not start a huge discussion over something that is clearly only a matter of patience, and personal opinion.

[Sabre2th]

Civ3 is by far the best civ game ever. The only problem I'm having is a couple of minor bugs.

[Zylka]

Yep, it's definitely better than number 2. Still not as top notch as civ2 was in its time.

[eRAZOR]

Yes

[raiseupx]

i think certain people just like to whine, period

[Th0mas]

..In the eye of the Beholder...

Originally posted by Zylka
Yep, it's definitely better than number 2. Still not as top notch as civ2 was in its time.

...That is true if CIV II was your first civilisation game...

personnally I think CIV III is not as top notch as Civ1 in its time (but that's expected - Civ1 being genre creating) but is significantly better than Civ II comparitively.

Civ II was an improvement on CIV I and well worth the amount of time and money I spent on all it's versions.

I think the changes to the AI in CIV III and the addition of Trade, Culture and the effect of Corruption has really improved the whole Civ game concept ... I am more fully immersed in CIV III than I ever was with CIV 2.

but that is a personal opinion...

In summary I think the whole Civilisation genre is a fantastic gaming concept, and your introduction to it (CIV I, CIV II, CIV II MPG, CTP, CTP II and SMAC) will frame your perception for all the new iterations. I cetainly believe this has been partially responsible for the level of friction on these forums.

[Plumbean]

Plumbean

Civ III is much better than Civ II it just takes time to get the game where we all want it. You are not going to make every one happy but I was blown away with the Improvements