I almost broke my monitor!

[Bereta_Eder]

And there I was on my second civ 3 game. I had abandoned my first one (on reagant) after the AI played me for a fool in building cities much faster than me..

If that's how it wants to play it, fine! (I innocently thought).

So there I was creating settlers like a maniac right there in the middle between 3 civs. Meanwhile, my warriors had scanned almost the whole of the big continent I was on.

I cut off all the other civs from most resources, created a solid civ with all the cities connected and I outrun the indians for control of a sub continent that was accessible only by a thin land piece.

The only problem was that between two of my remote cities there was nothing but jungle.

No problem, I casually thought, I can deal with it later.

And so I did. After building a worker and put him to work on the jungle in order to clear it up and make a grassland on to which I would build my city and then having him killed by barbarians (that can RECREATE camps... ) I had my settler all made up and ready to go. But go where? there was no grassland, just the jungle.


So I build another worker, make him walk across the continent to reach the jungle and had him accompanied with a Hoplite.

And just as I was waiting for the 2 last round for clearing up the jungle (which takes a LOOONG time), an indian settler shows up out of nowhere and casually builts a city next to my worker right there ON THE JUNGLE

Of course I thought, hey stupid AI the city is going to starve...

BUT THE JUGNLE WHERE THE CITY WAS BUILT HAD AUTOMATICALLY BEEN TRANSFORMED TO A GRASSLAND

fooking hell!

[Bereta_Eder]

it's a new game alright

[Green Giant]

Yep. Desert, jungle and mountainous terrain are now good spots to put cities due to the new resource sytem. I like it.

[Bereta_Eder]

yeah, I like it too.

I would have liked even more to know about it before hand...!

but I am too excited to read the manual (just read the "if you've played the game before" chapter)

Now I got an indian city cutting my civ in half.

which means I'll have to build up my military and I have other things to do.

BTW where's the reputation indicator?


and what happens if you build a city in a desert or a... mountain????

[Lord Cannager]

So,let me get this straight, if u build a city in the jungle it turns to grassland?but i ve done it before and it doesn 't change.




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[Bereta_Eder]

Tha AI (Indians) built a city on a jungle.

I then right clicked their city and it told me that the terrain was now grassland!

An AI cheat? Can't you do it too?

(I cant run Civ 3 now to check it out)

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Can't you do it too?

Sure you can. Building a city on forest or jungle removes the vegetation and converts the square to the underlying terrain. For example, if you build a city on a forested tundra square, it will become a tundra square, (I would assume; I'm not sure I've ever built on tundra. I usually let the AI waste his resources doing that and then take it from him by culture.).

[cassembler]

IIRC, I think wherever you build a city, you're guaranteed at least two food, one shield, and one trade....

Of course, I'm probably wrong... But I do find myself building more cities on hills, tundra, etc...

[Sevorak]

A city square gives you 2 food, 1 shield, 1 trade, +1 trade if river, and applying the + of the special resource, if any. This is the same regardless of the underlying terrain - jungle and forest are automatically cleared, since the terrain base type only matters for the defensive bonus.

Therefore, building closely packed cities on tundra is in fact a very efficient way of using that terrain, since you otherwise would not get 2 food, 1 shield, 1 trade out of a Tundra (you could get 1 food, 2 shield, 1 trade out of a railed mined tundra though).

-Sev

[Sabre2th]

Originally posted by Green Giant
Yep. Desert, jungle and mountainous terrain are now good spots to put cities due to the new resource sytem. I like it.

You can't build on mountains in civ3 and AFAIK, deserts still make lousy places for cities.

[Green Giant]

I meant cities built in the middle of a mountain range. I know you can't build directly on top of a mountain. Sure, a city in the middle of desert won't grow to big, but your chance of getting oil later on decreases. For the most part I only have a core group of 7-9 major producing cities and the rest I use for access to resources until later in the game.

[Raleigh]

Hey can someone please tell me what the following expressions mean?

IIRC

AFAIK

Thanks!

[Cian McGuire]

If I Recall Correctly

As Far As I Know

[hetairoi22]

IIRC = If I Recall (remember) Correctly

AFAIK = As Far As I Know



EDIT: Ooops, forgot to reload and see if someone had answered already...

Hmm, about the terrain discussion; I cannot *help* 'cause I haven't got my hands on the Game yet... Interesting though. I'll keep in mind the thing 'bout, forests diseparing and 2/1/1 city squares. Thanx

[Raleigh]

THANKS MUCH!!!