I've said it before but this time I'll say it with a bee up my a$$. War Weariness is completely unfair. I'm not saying to get rid of it, but its too powerful of a weapon.
War Weariness (from here on I'll just call it WW) bugged me during a game where the french declared war and I launched a pretty good counterattack against them and their allies the germans. But by the time my attack got started War weariness had driven my civ (Greeks) into anarchy. I was pretty upset about it. I didn't even get a chance to strike back before i had to consider stopping the war. Fine. But the French wouldn't see my envoy. So anarchy continued and most of my city improvements were "destroyed by mobs". In a few turns my civ was reduced from the no.#1 scientific power and military force to a 3rd world madhouse. Why? Because the frnech wouldn't talk to me even when they were the aggressors and I was a democracy?
Well, loading from a saved game I tried a different tactic. I made friends with everyone. I gave money and tech to maintain peace. I stayed out of Mutual Protection Pacts (MPPs) so I wouldn't get involved in a useless war. Well, the russians attacked soon after. I don't know why...big deal. I had two cities on a nearby island by their threee cities. I was wary of war weariness so I quickly airlifted tanks to my cities and took their cities. Then there was a lengthy naval engagement with big losses for both sides. (The AI can really pour it on in naval fights so be careful!) i needed allies so I asked for alliances from the romans and the chinese. In time "we" smashed up the russian navy enough where Catherine finally sued for peace. (I say "we", because my "allies" didn't do jack, really) But then the French and the Germans formed an alliance against me and began attacking me. Keep in mind that every turn in every war I would try to negotiate peace...and except for Catherine, no one would see my envoys. Eventually after fighting a purely defensive battle with the french the War Weariness came up again and improvements started being destroyed. I turned the game off.
Yeah, I'm *****ing and whining, so if you're one of those people that wanna jump on people with a complaint about the game knock yourself out. I don't expect to be able to steamroll over the AI. I was pursuing a peaceful strategy and yeah, i know war is gonna come up. But its ridiculous to assume that a democracy will fall apart when BEING attacked and only defending itself. I can't broker peace so my people decide to destroy their own cities? (and really **** up my civ...I mean, they didn't smash cheap stuff. It was like "Research Center destroyed" and " Bank destroyed!", not to mention that I can't produce new units during this civ wide anarchy so we'll definitely be invaded. Heck, my allies might turn on me since I'm defenseless...and all because the french won't TALK!?)
Firaxis..you need to address this. I'm being attacked. I'll even buy that if i was attacked and then launched an imperialistic war of conquest I should have rampant disorder. But I didn't do anything but defend myself. I even let some enemy ships into my borders before attacking to show that I was only defending myself. But a democracy under attack should be exempt from WW as long as they defend themselves only!
This really bugs me. Because I like playing Civ3, but I don't see the point if I can be defeated by a warlike civ when I'm only defending my own civ. Keep it in mind that throughout this whole game I have never started a war. I've only fought when attacked and I've tried to make the wars as short as possible.
War Weariness (from here on I'll just call it WW) bugged me during a game where the french declared war and I launched a pretty good counterattack against them and their allies the germans. But by the time my attack got started War weariness had driven my civ (Greeks) into anarchy. I was pretty upset about it. I didn't even get a chance to strike back before i had to consider stopping the war. Fine. But the French wouldn't see my envoy. So anarchy continued and most of my city improvements were "destroyed by mobs". In a few turns my civ was reduced from the no.#1 scientific power and military force to a 3rd world madhouse. Why? Because the frnech wouldn't talk to me even when they were the aggressors and I was a democracy?
Well, loading from a saved game I tried a different tactic. I made friends with everyone. I gave money and tech to maintain peace. I stayed out of Mutual Protection Pacts (MPPs) so I wouldn't get involved in a useless war. Well, the russians attacked soon after. I don't know why...big deal. I had two cities on a nearby island by their threee cities. I was wary of war weariness so I quickly airlifted tanks to my cities and took their cities. Then there was a lengthy naval engagement with big losses for both sides. (The AI can really pour it on in naval fights so be careful!) i needed allies so I asked for alliances from the romans and the chinese. In time "we" smashed up the russian navy enough where Catherine finally sued for peace. (I say "we", because my "allies" didn't do jack, really) But then the French and the Germans formed an alliance against me and began attacking me. Keep in mind that every turn in every war I would try to negotiate peace...and except for Catherine, no one would see my envoys. Eventually after fighting a purely defensive battle with the french the War Weariness came up again and improvements started being destroyed. I turned the game off.
Yeah, I'm *****ing and whining, so if you're one of those people that wanna jump on people with a complaint about the game knock yourself out. I don't expect to be able to steamroll over the AI. I was pursuing a peaceful strategy and yeah, i know war is gonna come up. But its ridiculous to assume that a democracy will fall apart when BEING attacked and only defending itself. I can't broker peace so my people decide to destroy their own cities? (and really **** up my civ...I mean, they didn't smash cheap stuff. It was like "Research Center destroyed" and " Bank destroyed!", not to mention that I can't produce new units during this civ wide anarchy so we'll definitely be invaded. Heck, my allies might turn on me since I'm defenseless...and all because the french won't TALK!?)
Firaxis..you need to address this. I'm being attacked. I'll even buy that if i was attacked and then launched an imperialistic war of conquest I should have rampant disorder. But I didn't do anything but defend myself. I even let some enemy ships into my borders before attacking to show that I was only defending myself. But a democracy under attack should be exempt from WW as long as they defend themselves only!
This really bugs me. Because I like playing Civ3, but I don't see the point if I can be defeated by a warlike civ when I'm only defending my own civ. Keep it in mind that throughout this whole game I have never started a war. I've only fought when attacked and I've tried to make the wars as short as possible.
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