I'm getting the impression this game is not a worthy successor to civ I and II

[Faboba]

[Robert]

1) fix all the bugs and
2) gameplay imbalances
3) no mp
4) air/naval units are pointless
5) governments are done crapilly
6) civ3edit cant make scenerios
7) there no historicle starting places on ma
8) only "in-house" testing
9) serious bugs -- like the airpower-SAM thing in particular
10) corruption bug and
11) air unit bugs
12) This single player version is really no better than a beta you pay for.

You can sum up the problems like this:

1. fix the bugs (air / naval / 10000000 / etc.)
2. There are corruption problems. Some like it some don't. It appears to be not a bug but some feel like it is one.
3. Expand advisor screens (trade advisor ie)

Besides these CORE-game bugs we would like:
1. MP
2. Scenario tools (there are billions already, we just miss a few, though these few are important though)

Conclusion: The Core game is really good but has some (fatal) bugs that really need to be fixed. Because of the lack of MP and fatal-scenario editing tools some people feel like something is missing.

CyberShy

[ravagon]

I want to like it. I really do. Everything I've heard about what is in seems very good but no scenarios is the killer. This was (IMO anyway) the best aspect of civ2. Civ3 without it is just ... wrong.

[Fidel]

ummm, n.c. i thought you returned the game, so why bother fixing what is 'broken'?
and then - you already started a thread like this. when are you opening the third whinefest?

[Deathwalker]

I'm of the opinion that they will release a ptach to fix the little bugs like, imbalances and the naval/iar units.
But I think the big ones like no scenario tools or MP will come in a year or so under a exspancion patch or a updated game. Either way they want our money and they have a plan to get it for as long as possable and as much as possable

[mrbilll]

I agree with (apparently) the majority here. Great potential, shoulda been left in the oven a little longer. Many improvements, some questionable decisions, and a few SERIOUS frustrations and bugs.

Is Civ3 worthy of the name? We'll see once the beta testing is done. Maybe (hopefully) future patches and expansions will settle these arguments.

[The Templar]

Worthy? Definitely.
Several bugs need fixing. Air superiority/SAMs of course. The "sub attack" bug, also. Corruption needs some fine tuning. The UN should do more. MP. Five things and the game is fixed. There you go.

Niceities would include: a decent editor, decent world map, non-random starting locations. And so on. This would significantly improve the game.

[MisterMuppet]

Originally posted by LaRusso
when are you opening the third whinefest?

Great a November Whinefest, and me just back from Munich last month. Now where did I put my Stein.

[Max Webster]

Yeah NoClue returned the game so what does he care?

[Ray K]

Originally posted by CyberShy


Conclusion: The Core game is really good but has some (fatal) bugs

There are no fatal bugs. I am enjoying the game immensely. The corruption can be addressed with the editor, the million-gold bug does not have to be taken advantage of, and the air defense bug is in the late game and has little effect by that point.

[Grumbold]

Originally posted by Ray K
There are no fatal bugs.

The fatal bugs are where your units get killed by the enemy when you had an (un)reasonable expectation that they would kick AI butt

[Robert]

with 'fatal' bug I mean: It really matters.
the interception bug is fatal to gameplay.

Still love the game very much though
Ray K, I remember we were fighting about corruption.....
I see you changed mind

[Ray K]

Originally posted by CyberShy
with 'fatal' bug I mean: It really matters.
the interception bug is fatal to gameplay.

Still love the game very much though
Ray K, I remember we were fighting about corruption.....
I see you changed mind

No, I have raised the number of Optimal Cities in order to reduce corruption from 99% to 95%. what a joke!

Corruption is still a huge problem if you expect any productivity out of your captured cities. I just let them grow slowly and feed the war machine from my core cities.

It would probably be better to raze them instead.

I don't consider the 'interception' bug to be fatal because the game is still enjoyable despite it. Still, it is a bug and needs to be fixed.

I would also hope they find a way to build Heroic Epic would building a useless army. As it is, it's the most worthless wonder in the game.

[Robert]

next game play an economic civ.
I'm playing English right now, not much problems with corruption.

[Ray K]

Originally posted by CyberShy
next game play an economic civ.
I'm playing English right now, not much problems with corruption.

last time I checked, the Greeks were a commercial civ.

It's because I'm playing a conquest game and hitting the max limit on cities.