How Joan D'Arc beat me up without saying a word

[yin26]

Also here's an idea: If you plan to go to war as a Democacy, have your ships absolutely loaded with material just off the enemy's coast/border so that the MOMENT war is declared, you are already there. Like the aircraft carriers hanging out in the Gulf. You probably would have gotten the desired result if you didn't have to wait during war time for your ships to cross the ocean.

[yin26]

As I understand, unlike in Civ2, taking units out of the city does *not* cause unhappiness, right? (not talking about the units that give you stability in the first place, of course). It this right?

[klesh]

Re: Workers of the world unite!

Originally posted by Venger
1) Communism is morally bankrupt and I cannot bring myself to use it, even in a game.

You sir, deserve the whooping little Joanie is giving you then!

-FMK.

[Kc7mxo]

War wearyness is a hassle. Especially when they won't talk to you.

And razing cities is the smartest thing to do. Do I want to capture some crappy worthless city on japan's border so they can recapture it in a couple turns and take a huge friking chunk outa my treasury?

"Ahh, we have at last captured the japanese's port of Nantucket. Quickly men, take 1000 gold from our treasury and ship it over there in time for tea!"

What? Who would put their fricking treasury in a captured city?

[Venger]

A day which live in infamy...

Originally posted by Enigma

Democracy is WAAY too good not to need to have to be balanced out w/ war weariness... you should be able to fight defensive wars well anyways.

The problem is, what constitutes a "defensive war". If you are attacked first? Well, does that mean you can defeat those units but not solve the problem at it's source? That means a democracy cannot fight in WWI, WWII, Iraq...

I think war weariness would work better as defined as a long war with no movement. I don't care WHO it is, nobody tires of success, and a democracy rolling over an opponent will not suffer war wearniess. However, losing unit after unit with litter reward far from shore, yeah that ought to trigger war weariness.

But would Pearl Harbor consitute a defensive war or offensive war? If it's an offensive war as soon as we go to Japan and Europe, it's broken...

Venger

[Venger]

Re: Re: Workers of the world unite!

Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh


You sir, deserve the whooping little Joanie is giving you then!

-FMK.

Hey, it's not me getting beaten by the French. $hit, you know it's a game if the French are beating up somebody...

And someone in Volgograd ought to know what a corrupt and reprehensible form of government communism is...

Venger

[Setsuna]

Originally posted by Kc7mxo
"Ahh, we have at last captured the japanese's port of Nantucket. Quickly men, take 1000 gold from our treasury and ship it over there in time for tea!"

What? Who would put their fricking treasury in a captured city?

War weariness is an interesting idea. It ceases to be interesting right about the time your people decide that steam rolling over an aggressive foreign country warrants destroying their own homes and setting their hair on fire.

[Larz Smith]

So its not the French who are the real threat its the "allies" in Rome. Ive done the same trick myself a few times in the last game I played....basically my civ went 3000 years without a war, but come in the 1700's I realize that I need another source of iron when 1 of my only 2 source ran out.....so I signed a few protection pacts and turned my eyes toward the lone English settlement with iron fairly close to my borders.....I take the city in 2 turns and then sue for peace with the British....then I sit back n watch the rest of the world sign pacts and turn on poor England and flex their military muscles while I sit back at peace and race ahead to win diplomatically

[WhiskeyJuvenile]

I haven't noticed that a war economy actually does anything, but that might just be me.

I never raze cities, and I've yet to have a problem with that. Just flood troops in, and use that new base as a new base of ops. Great for post-flight/airport scenarios, and also speeds up rate of movement... i guess...

[dexters]

For your money, go with Republic. Civil disorders cause less harm to your civ.

[David Murray]

Why don't you guys try out the "Fascist patch" (in the Civ3 Files section). It adds a fascist government type, which might be better at waging war.

I wish fundamentalism hadn't been taken out...I mean, four governments in the original game is hardly enough of a choice. A military dictatorship govt., a kind of updated despotism for later in the game, would be quite nice, too.

[Fidel]

heh
d4everman...did you try conscripting? it adds to discontent.
my mighty greek democracy waged a 20 yrs war against egyptians in a grand coalition. they razed one of my cities, there were massive battles, i conscripted a LOT (at least twice per city) and i starved my pop with some massive betty garble like entertainment but we eventually won. there was genocide aplenty. well war is hell and make sure you do not have to wage it unless you can score a decisive one.

[klesh]

Re: Re: Re: Workers of the world unite!

Originally posted by Venger


Hey, it's not me getting beaten by the French. $hit, you know it's a game if the French are beating up somebody...

You are correct there!

And someone in Volgograd ought to know what a corrupt and reprehensible form of government communism is...

How old are you? I would presume that you are more fammiliar with how corrupt and reprehensible a form of government State Capitalism is.

-FMK.

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Re: Workers of the world unite!

Originally posted by Venger
And someone in Volgograd ought to know what a corrupt and reprehensible form of government communism is...

yup, any government that changes the name of the city to volgograd deserves to be wiped out

[Guynemer]

"How Joan D'Arc beat me up without saying a word"

That sounds fun. Where do I sign up?

Seriously though, reading through this thread, people seem to be having far more trouble with wartime democracy than I do... since switching to Demo, I've only gone to war once, and it was declared on me because I refused the Shaka's demand for saltpeter. It took a while to wipe him out, even with almost everyone else pitching in, but I never had any war weariness. How much infrastructure did you have? I had access to six luxuries plus every happiness improvement and wonder in my cities, all but one of which were size 12... perhaps you just need a completely mad pro-happiness set-up to survive war weariness?