AI diplomacy is not logical

[TLG]

Let me introduce you the "Me-IA-do-not-always-understand-what-the-human-player-wants-so-I-always-reject-his-offers-when-it-happens" :

Having 121 gold in treasury I contact Elizabeth to change 100 of my gold against 10 gold just to see how sterling pounds look like

Well, my advisor was right, they would never accept such a deal since she declined my offer.

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[David Murray]

Well I'd be cautious and suspicious too if someone offered me a deal like that.

[Zoetstofzoetje]

They always do that, like, if you offer them 10 gold pieces/turn and want 1 gold pieces/turn. My guess is Firaxis didn't get around to making the AI able to subtract numbers, because such a deal is illogical and unnecessary to begin with!

[tishco]

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[tishco]

what about 20 gold for 1 gold a turn for 20 turns!

[Venger]

So damn retarded!!!

God I am SICK of seeing $hit like this. I'm still in my first game (can't help it, I kick ass on a big map and am rolling up the AI like a 5 cent whore). But I have seen piece after piece after piece of stuff like this that is clearly the result of shoving the game out the door and up our @$$...

I've noticed that the AI in trading just isn't very smart. Why won't it trade two luxuries for one? Why doesn't it realize a good deal from a bad deal? Why can it be extorted at one time and absolutely retardly indignant another? I can demand and get 15 gold a turn from a Civ with zero in the bank?

Control, control, you must learn control!

Venger

[squid]

I don't talk with crazy people. I do not blame her.

Yes, this is stupid.

[ixnay]

What I hate is when I ask the AI for a loan and they say "sorry, our treasury is empty"...then I look and they have about 5000 gold in it.

[Fake Boris]

Re: So damn retarded!!!

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I've noticed that the AI in trading just isn't very smart. Why won't it trade two luxuries for one? Why doesn't it realize a good deal from a bad deal? Why can it be extorted at one time and absolutely retardly indignant another? I can demand and get 15 gold a turn from a Civ with zero in the bank?

Control, control, you must learn control!

Venger

Actually, most AIs already have the maximum number of 8 luxuries. Having more will not help them. If you badly need a luxury, just offer 25-50 gold per turn, and most of the times the comp will agree.

And you can ask 15 gold/turn simply because an empty treasury does not mean you don't have revenues.

[Peterk]

> God I am SICK of seeing $hit like this

Take it easy. They just didn't account for every stupid thing us users might try and do. The offer is pretty retarded to begin with so I'm not surprised that it fell through a hole in the code somehow. As long as the AI deals with "normal" trades ok, what's the big deal.

[David Murray]

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[David Murray]

Yeh, this is a REALLY, REALLY big bug!

It REALLY epitomizes all the flaws in the AI!

I can just imagine the HORDES of Civvers who won't be able to sleep at night because the AI won't give them 10 gold in exchange for 100 and other such realistic, day-to-day agreements!

Yeh, terrible diplomacy system Firaxis!

[Akaoz]

Re: Re: So damn retarded!!!

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Actually, most AIs already have the maximum number of 8 luxuries. Having more will not help them. If you badly need a luxury, just offer 25-50 gold per turn, and most of the times the comp will agree.

And you can ask 15 gold/turn simply because an empty treasury does not mean you don't have revenues.

How many luxuries are there?

-Alech

[Pyrodrew]

Well I'd be cautious and suspicious too if someone offered me a deal like that.

I would be cautious too... but I would take it. And then when I'm pillaging their towns I would kindly say, "Oh by the way thank you for that loving gift earlier."

Why won't it trade two luxuries for one?

I wondered about this too, but besides understanding Oncle Boris' points, Soren mentioned how luxuries are FAR more valuable to larger empires... which makes sense. If I have 30 democracy cities & contact a militaristic civilization with 10 cities... naturally a luxury is going to be far more valuable to the civilization with 30 cities. Additionally, your reputation, culture, & the other civ's attitude toward you also play a role. There seem to be many variables which come into play for trading... not just what is on the table.

When people don't understand something why not just inquire about it in a civil tone? Then if you don't get a reasonable answer start to rant/whine... if you must.

[Rust]

I found that in my first game where I did what I said I would and kept all agreements, they made deals with me much easier. But in my new game they just have a smirk on there face and won't trade with me at all no matter how much i want to give them. I think it must be because I broke some military alliances earlier on.