Enemy Bombers: Invulnerable?

[Frugal_Gourmet]

No, trust me guys...

I've tested this A LOT now...

I can have as much as 10 jet fighters in a town all specifically set to "air superiority" *AND* have a carrier next to it with several fighters in "air superiority" and NEVER shoot down a single basic bomber when they're slamming my city or neighboring improvements. Yet, the enemy destroys my bombers easily.

What the hell?

The game is great for me up until this point. I think this is a bug. If it's not, it needs to be playbalanced for sure...

I ask again: has anyone ever managed to shoot down a bomber with a jet fighter?

[Jeje2]

is intercepted = destroyed??

So if your fighter manages to intercept the bomber is it a dogfight or only a totally missed bombing run? (Don't have the game, but reading Sorens message I'm thinking about the later one more)

So Soren Johnson if a fighter manges to intercept an enemy bomber what should happen??

[Wexu]

Originally posted by Soren Johnson Firaxis


ok, this is sounding like a bug...

Would it be possible that your fighter were set on "Fortify" instead of "Air Superiority." It's an easy mistake to make if you just hit the "F" key.

Also, the "defensive range" of a Fighter is only two squares. So the bombers were all attacking squares which were no farther than two squares from your Fighter?

I put them to air superiority, I even checked it after the first bomber run when I first thought that I put them to fortify. Even though I can't see NO reason why someone would like to put a fighter to fortify, but not to intercept enemy bombers, so I suggest that fortify and air superiority would be the same thing with same button. This would prevent accidents which you just told about.

The bombers most of the time hit my city where the fighters were, couple of times they hit adjacent squares (all 1 square away from city).

[Soren Johnson]

Originally posted by Wexu


I put them to air superiority, I even checked it after the first bomber run when I first thought that I put them to fortify. Even though I can't see NO reason why someone would like to put a fighter to fortify, but not to intercept enemy bombers, so I suggest that fortify and air superiority would be the same thing with same button. This would prevent accidents which you just told about.

The bombers most of the time hit my city where the fighters were, couple of times they hit adjacent squares (all 1 square away from city).

I just sent you an e-mail so that we can discuss this off-line and figure out what is going on... I just tested it out and had no problem intercepting an AI bomber.

[Soren Johnson]

Originally posted by Soren Johnson Firaxis


I just sent you an e-mail so that we can discuss this off-line and figure out what is going on... I just tested it out and had no problem intercepting an AI bomber.

whoops, never mind... you have specified no e-mails...

could you possibly post a saved game? thanks...

[Wexu]

My email is wexu@pelit-online.org

I just loaded the game but the situation is gone now and the AI is not bombing that city anymore.

[wakamoto]

I got the same problem too, I have 2 fighters on the carrier and 2 more on the city but of course I have never seen any interception at all. Please fix this bug.

I even thought that maybe the fighter will intercept by next turn by itself therefore I don't get to see the action. So far I think most people are having the same problem here.

Another bug that I'm having is with the cruise missile. I have tried many different way to load my cruise missile into sub marine but never be able to do so.

To load unit into transport is L to load anything is L but it didn't work for the cruise missile to sub. Please advise for those had found out the solution.

[Frugal_Gourmet]

Soren...

Thanks for your almost immediate response on the weekend... wow..

Yeah, I'm definitely going to start a new game from scratch again and see if the same thing happens.

I've spoken to a couple of people about it on the "strategy" forum and they were having the same problem. I'm positive I am definitely selecting the "air superiority" option, but I don't know why it works for you. Maybe it only happens some of the time?

I'm also interested in hearing from any other Civ'ers who have had a successful interception mission ..

-- frugal_gourmet1@go.com

[Soren Johnson]

Originally posted by wakamoto
I got the same problem too, I have 2 fighters on the carrier and 2 more on the city but of course I have never seen any interception at all. Please fix this bug.

I even thought that maybe the fighter will intercept by next turn by itself therefore I don't get to see the action. So far I think most people are having the same problem here.

Another bug that I'm having is with the cruise missile. I have tried many different way to load my cruise missile into sub marine but never be able to do so.

To load unit into transport is L to load anything is L but it didn't work for the cruise missile to sub. Please advise for those had found out the solution.

Nuke Subs only carry Tactical Nukes...

[wakamoto]

Thanks for the input.

I still have the problem with normal cruise missile, my normal cruise missile can't be loaded into normal sub marine.
Please advise, thanks

[Soren Johnson]

Originally posted by wakamoto
Thanks for the input.

I still have the problem with normal cruise missile, my normal cruise missile can't be loaded into normal sub marine.
Please advise, thanks

whoops... sorry for the confusion. Regular submarines cannot carry anything, including Cruise Missiles...

[civplayer]

If you are interested here is my save game where there are no interceptions. Posted this save on the official patch thread as well. I have fighters/jet fighters that can't intercept normal bombers. The bombers are passing within the operational range of my air superiority missions. The problem occurs on two different computers I have tried this on.

Unfortunately most of the bombing attacks occured a couple of turns before this save but there are still some.

Interestingly the game crashed right before I had this problem.

Could this bug possibly be fixed before the rest relatively quickly? It is making the game close to unplayable for me if I get into an air war in the industrial/modern age.

[wakamoto]

I would like to ask a few more questions Regarding the Bomber and Fighter interception.

Once you set the fighter to Air superiority it's set to intercept bomber or fighter with the 50% chance of interception and less for chance for the stealth unit.

How do I increase my chance of interceptions? Any hints? I have 2 regular fighters next to the city in the air carrier and 2 jet fighter in the city but non of them did any interception.

THe enemy launched almost 6 bomber over my city and no interception is happening.

However, if I send my bomber to their city with 3 bomber one of my bomber got hit.

I would like to know how to increase my chance of shooting down enemy bombers. should I have at least 4 in the city? and 4 in the carrier that mean my carrier will be pack with just 4 fighters no bombers any more, since the carrier can only carry 4 air units.

Thanks for the input.

[freezuch]

I tried civplayer's game and it looked like jetfighter did some damage to Bomber. I didn't get any pop up message but in the moment the bomber was passing the city his status dropped to yellow zone.

Firaxis, is there a popup message if we succefully hit the bomber?

Tried 2nd time - no damage what so ever.

BTW Civplayer, you get really screwed in 1960. 5 tanks and 2 Mech infantry, not much you can do against with conscript infantrymen and hoptiles.(didn't appear in few reloads though)

[civplayer]

Yes I went on to lose that one...I'm not as good at this game as CIV II.....lost on chieftain too...oh well.

It is interesting you noticed the enemy bomber hitpoints decrease. I hadn't even noticed that as well as no pop-up on interception.