do civs make unreasonable negotiations?

[SuiteSisterMary]

world map and Monarchy

Of COURSE they wanted those two badly! That's all they need to move to a war footing, and then come after you! Never ever EVER give up Monarchy if you've bee-lined for it! :-)

[TheDarkside]

Originally posted by Osweld
It depends how powerful you are compared to them, if you have a weaker military but more technology they will stomp all over you and abuse you, often demanding technology. If you have a strong military and weak technology, they won't be so quick to war - but they won't take you seriously and will often make outrageous demands. if you are their equal - they will treat you like one (more or less.. depending on the civs personalities), if you are superior to them, they might do a bit of sucking up.

Oswald I wisht thats how it was! If so then the other civs should be offering me random tributes every turn! I'm getting fed up with their irrational diplomacy so I'll probably just conquer them all It's only this game too, my other game I had a weak military but a relatively good culture, and everyone would trade equal with me.

This game I'm playing I've done really good, I tried to expand fast but the Americans kept taking all the spots I would survey out before my settler got there (dont you hate when they do that? ) So I just got Immortals researched and had iron, so I decided to show the Americans that their ICS was a big mistake. Sure enough, all I needed were 2-3 immortals to occupy 6 of their cities- since they concentrated on ICS so much they had bad weak units and few in number. So now I'm already by far the largest civ, and I've put cultural improvements on highest priority so every one of my cities has great culture. (every civ i see in diplomacy, my advisor says is "in awe of my culture") Now for military- I have a standing force of 89 troops consisting of musketmen, cannon and knights. While most civs havent even gotten knights yet.

Still, they feel it necessary to rip me off so I guess military conquest here I come! Oh and my culture isnt annexing new cities either for a strange reason... I am a republic too. It's funny how much this game can vary- but I like that! My last game they treated me as equals and offered 1:1 trades, even though I was weaker. Also, I must have acquired like 6 cities through culture in my alst game! This game I'm so much more prominent fo a civ yet only 1 city annexed from the zulu. Ant it cant be the difficulty, I've been playing Regent level since I bought the game (i didnt want to get spoiled playing an easier level) Oh well- back to the game!

[cassembler]

Of COURSE they wanted those two badly! That's all they need to move to a war footing, and then come after you! Never ever EVER give up Monarchy if you've bee-lined for it! :-)

Well my point was that the origonal deal they proposed was 1 tech (Iron Working or somethin') for my world map and Monarchy, and I counterproposed and added three more techs and like 50 gold, and each tech I added did NOT affect the chances of success.

I heard one guy asked for 9999 gold per turn or something like that, and he GOT IT.

[dique]

I managed to rob 100 million gold per turn from the Americans. Load the attached saved file and try it yourself. Call up the Americans and request 100 million gold per turn without giving anything in return. They will gladly succumb.

[Pyrodrew]

Originally posted by cassembler


Well my point was that the origonal deal they proposed was 1 tech (Iron Working or somethin') for my world map and Monarchy, and I counterproposed and added three more techs and like 50 gold, and each tech I added did NOT affect the chances of success.

I heard one guy asked for 9999 gold per turn or something like that, and he GOT IT.

Yes someone claimed they got 200000 gold per turn, so it sounds like the "per turn" has a bug.

As far as your trade, 2 days ago I traded my World Map for 4 Techs the AI had. And at the time my World Map was almost the same as my Territory Map. The AI highly values the human player's "World Map". They should tweak that... I could see 2 techs... but 4?