CIV3 RELEASE PARTY - the best parts

[Barnacle Bill]

Re: Communism!

Originally posted by Delthayre
Don't make this a topic of debate, merely humor a desperate and lonely man. (word man is used for effect, it sounds better)

OK, but one rant deserves another...

Communism is the political/economic equivalent of a perpetual motion machine - sounds great in theory but doesn't work in practice. Funny how all the folks who like the idea never seemed to have lived under it. Go hunt up some first generation immigrants from Eastern Europe and ask them about it.

The only people who ever favored it in mass were those who had such a raw deal that anything looked like an improvement (for example serfs & slaves). You can't collectivize everyone except by force... if you don't use force, somebody will opt out and pursue his own self-interest (me, for one). When you use force on people who are just minding their own business and individually reaping the fruits of their own individual efforts instead of throwing it in the communal pot, they tend to resist... then you have to kill them (or at least enough of them to scare the rest into toeing the party line)...when you pull on that thread you get Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc... If you are not willing to kill (great big batches of) people over it, your communist state is never going to be any bigger than a hippy commune because folks just don't buy into it willingly. Most free people just are not interested. That's why they had to built the Berlin Wall to keep people in, and America has a Border Patrol & INS to somewhat stem the tide of people trying to get in.

Is America perfect? No... but if you ask me the way to fix it is more freedom not less.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

hmm...seems like this is more for the OT

[Provost Harrison]

Hey, I appear on there enough times. Don't I get a special colour for my name like Markos of JB?

[CobraA1]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
Sorry I couldn't be there, had to take a mid-term. I am, however, now prepared to discuss, at length:

-- the four modes of DES encryption
-- The seven stages of network penetration
-- How a "man in the middle attack" can defeat the Diffie-Hellman key exchange
-- Why password salts decrease the effectiveness of a dictionary attack

and other incredibly interesting cocktail-party conversation


What? No takers? Hey, where is everybody going???

4 modes of DES encryption:
1. Output of random number generator
2. Wav file with .exe extention
3. Source code for Windows
4. Output from a typing monkey.

Seven stages of network penetration:
1. Find a network
2. Try to break in
3. Find that it's using Linux, so
4. Scream that you can't get in
5. Give up
6. Find a Windows network
7. Be amazed at how many people leave their hard drives shared w/out a password .

You see, Diffie and Hellman are playing Monkey in the Middle with a key. The secret is to grab the key by jumping twice your height.

You see, salt breaks down the paper that a dictionary is made of, so the guy can't read his dictionary anymore.

Im an geniess, aye no.

[Skanky Burns]

CobraA1

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

And to think I could have had HIM take my mid-term for me!!!


Dan

[knott]

Re: Communism!

Originally posted by Delthayre
Just to clarify (since this is a common misconception in the U.S.)

No true communist government has ever existed. All such regimes now are horrible twistings of the idea. I do differ from Marx on many points (times change) but the fundamental ideal of a classless society rings true. Heck, I'm for a moneyless society in which luxury items are distributed based on your job (public servants such as teachers actually make out better than do-nothing corporate desk-jockeys) and labor based taxes (read up on the Incas [or maybe it was the Mays] they had a moneyless society in which farming on state farms served for taxation). Long, confusing, and occasionally self-contradicting story short: In my ideal world everyone who wanted it and did their share would get a copy of Civ 3 (and as another plus: no money means no reason to rush, thus, a more complete product). Pardon the propaganda. Living in country in which anything but pro-capitalism is fiercly resisted merely because we are complacent in our current system has made me prone to ranting .

Damn publishers.

P.S. Don't make this a topic of debate, merely humor a desperate and lonely man. (word man is used for effect, it sounds better)

Anarchy is great in theory to . But it should have slower production.

[Bambul]

Re: Communism

There have been instances of "theoretically correct" Communism existing for short periods of time in small communities, like the kibutz's (probably spelt it wrong) in Israel during its early years.

However (and this is my blatant attempt to keep this on topic), this is almost impossible to simulate in a game of Civ and therefore the Communist government can only be the totalitarian version that seemed to work well up until about 1990.

Mind you, I've never seen a world leader with a blood alcohol level higher than his approval rating ouside of Russia, so I'm not too surprised

[bagdar]

remember

remember me? I'm the guy who has a pentium200 and consequently, can't play civ3. I hope you're having fun.

[AustralianJeremy]

Dan, confirm to me that Civ3 multiplayer will not be an extra we have to buy later, like we had to with Civ 2 (remember when we had to rebuy the entire game?) and I'll buy it. When it gets here of course (damn non-simultaneous release).

[Faboba]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
Sorry I couldn't be there, had to take a mid-term. I am, however, now prepared to discuss, at length:

-- the four modes of DES encryption
-- The seven stages of network penetration
-- How a "man in the middle attack" can defeat the Diffie-Hellman key exchange
-- Why password salts decrease the effectiveness of a dictionary attack

and other incredibly interesting cocktail-party conversation


What? No takers? Hey, where is everybody going???

Why are you taking mid-terms? Is working for a major games developer a summer job? Does your mum know Sid or something?