CIV3 RELEASE PARTY - the best parts

[MarkG]

http://apolyton.net/misc/chat/civ3/civ3party-best.shtml

[yin26]

[ProvostHarrison] When do you reckon the MP will be available?
[Jeff_Morris] Hard to say...no contracts have been signed
[ProvostHarrison] So it is going to be a downloadable patch or a sold expansion patch
[Jeff_Morris] Hard to say....We'd love to make it a patch...but no decision has been made
[ACS_MarkG] money, money, money....
[Jeff_Morris] feh...
[Jeff_Morris] Only time will tell..
[Jeff_Morris] There is no contract for an expansion right now so there's no decision been made

[yin26]

money, money, money....

I'd if it weren't so

[MarkG]

Originally posted by yin26
I'd if it weren't so

if only we had communism.....

[Barnacle Bill]

Originally posted by MarkG
if only we had communism.....

Ha!

My wife grew up under a communist government. From what she tells me, if Civ3 had been developed under communism it would be like this:
- it probably wouldn't release for a couple more years, since nobody stays at work all day or does much of anything while they are there.
- there would only be about 1/10 the number of copies made as there are people who want to buy it, and 90% of those would disappear into the black market before reaching the store, and you'd have to stand in line all day to get a shot at buying one (unless you have the contacts to get yours on the black market).
- it would be much buggier and have fewer features when it finaly did come out, because nobody cares about the quality of their work.
- they wouldn't patch it because nobody cares what the customer thinks (unless you bribed a a member of the development team to patch it for you - a case of vodka would probably do the trick).
- the sequence of social development & governments in the game would progress strictly per the Dialectic (or it would never be released and Sid's next project would be "Sim Gulag").

[faded glory]

Due to the Socialist economics of a communist system Computers and CPU games would not be available. For the same reason people in the USSR could not get choclate or Bananas. It wasnt a free market economy..

Russian stores had only one thing in them. Bread, Bread, and Bread...no brands, no meat.

[Zealot]

By what I read, the real Civ 3 is coming in an Expansion pack, next spring!

And I suspected micromanagement would be really bigger in Civ 3 the moment I saw how "infested" with cities any minimap was.

No reduced micromanagement, no multiplay, no events system!!! The game might be very addicting, but I bet it's going to be a disapointment to many hard-core fans in any way.
Probably on this point: modern age games are really slow and boring in Civ 2, and it seems that in Civ 3 is even worse!

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

Sorry I couldn't be there, had to take a mid-term. I am, however, now prepared to discuss, at length:

-- the four modes of DES encryption
-- The seven stages of network penetration
-- How a "man in the middle attack" can defeat the Diffie-Hellman key exchange
-- Why password salts decrease the effectiveness of a dictionary attack

and other incredibly interesting cocktail-party conversation


What? No takers? Hey, where is everybody going???

[MarkG]

network what?

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

Originally posted by MarkG
network what?

Hey, mister dirty mind, it's legit! It was even on a white paper written by IBM and everything!!!

Dan

[Cookie Monster]

Sorry this has nothing to do with this thread but I have to say.......


Welcome aboard Barnacle Bill!!!!!

With a handle like that I couldn't resist.

[CapTVK]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
Sorry I couldn't be there, had to take a mid-term. I am, however, now prepared to discuss, at length:

-- the four modes of DES encryption
-- The seven stages of network penetration
-- How a "man in the middle attack" can defeat the Diffie-Hellman key exchange
-- Why password salts decrease the effectiveness of a dictionary attack

and other incredibly interesting cocktail-party conversation


What? No takers? Hey, where is everybody going???

Perhaps some other time Dan. Chris Crawford would definitely be interested in some of those subjects but he's busy hunting for leonides at the moment.

But perhaps you would you be willing to discuss:

-- Skepticism's different facets and construals?
-- Skepticism pertaining to natural law statements concerning nomic and accidental necessity and the inductive or deductive
method to substantiate the certainy claim?
-- Law statements in the light of quantum mechanics?
-- The classic "is human knowledge bound to be skeptical?", "why is God's knowledge claimed to be doubt free?" or "is there knowledge without god?"


We could also discuss the paradoxes of timetravel...

[AustralianJeremy]

Hmm... Firaxis won't guarantee that MP will be in a patch, eh? Going to try to sell us the same game twice again?

I have three copies of Civ2. - The first version (2.42), the MP, and stupid ToT. And they didn't even release MPG in Australia, so I BLOODY WELL DOWNLOADED IT FROM THE INTERNET. Screw the bastards. They still got three lots of money out of me...

That is NOT going to happen with Civ3. I will not buy it until either the MP comes out or they guarantee that MP will work with the retail edition. In the meantime. Warez, friends, anything. I will not be gouged again. Once bitten, twice pissed off.

[Delthayre]

Communism!

Just to clarify (since this is a common misconception in the U.S.)

No true communist government has ever existed. All such regimes now are horrible twistings of the idea. I do differ from Marx on many points (times change) but the fundamental ideal of a classless society rings true. Heck, I'm for a moneyless society in which luxury items are distributed based on your job (public servants such as teachers actually make out better than do-nothing corporate desk-jockeys) and labor based taxes (read up on the Incas [or maybe it was the Mays] they had a moneyless society in which farming on state farms served for taxation). Long, confusing, and occasionally self-contradicting story short: In my ideal world everyone who wanted it and did their share would get a copy of Civ 3 (and as another plus: no money means no reason to rush, thus, a more complete product). Pardon the propaganda. Living in country in which anything but pro-capitalism is fiercly resisted merely because we are complacent in our current system has made me prone to ranting .

Damn publishers.

P.S. Don't make this a topic of debate, merely humor a desperate and lonely man. (word man is used for effect, it sounds better)

[Döbeln_2001]

Re: Communism!

Originally posted by Delthayre
Just to clarify (since this is a common misconception in the U.S.)

No true communist government has ever existed.

It certainly isn't for a lack of trying. Please spare us your variation on the theme...

/ Döbeln 2001