Archers shoot down cruise missiles... AI hardly notices nuclear attacks...MP anybody?

[ACEofHeart]

Now that the intial excitment of playing Civilization with "borders" has long passed, it was with deep interest that I viewed the "negative" areas of the first Review.
Still unrealistic battle results, unavoidable city corruption, poor screen scrolling, frequent city starvation, modern era boredom,
Wonder Movies reduced to name a few..
All that and Minimun System Requirements is a P2-300 !!!
Well,, I'll buy it.. but I'm not going to be deleting Civ2 just yet..

[Siej]

Yin,

I suppose you have your opinion on the matter, but I don't see why you must continue as you have in every thread. I myself don't like the fact a cruise missle can be shot down by an archer. That's absurd. Nukes? They should demolish everything in their path. It might be a bug, although, I can't see how something of that nature got through testing. If they aren't bugs I will want it fixed in a patch.

However, I don't expect those faults to subtract from the overall enjoyment Civ3 will bring. I mean come on...this is Sid Mier/Firaxis. Have they really let us down yet? Some would agree SMAC wasn't anywhere near what Civ/Civ2 were. Critics? They praised it. PCGamer gave it a 98% rating practically claiming it flawless. It all boils down to personal opinion and until you've actually played a game you can't agree or disagree with what another person feels that game is or isn't.

[Fidel]

good god, calm down yin.
if AI does not mind you lobbing ICBMs at wimpy level but monitors your mobilization on higher, i'd be very happy
as for scrolling, it has to be seen.....

btw...my baby has been shipped

[yin26]

Yin, what I am saying is can't you take the AI/nuke thing as something that might be a result of difficulty level?

That's possible. And if so, a horrible way to handle it.

However, I don't expect those faults to subtract from the overall enjoyment Civ3 will bring. I mean come on...this is Sid Mier/Firaxis. Have they really let us down yet?

Well, we can agree to disagree, then. Those two things alone make the game almost unplayble to me. Call me finicky. Call me crazy.

[yin26]

Oh, and as for the "great way" these reviews end: This guy basically says that MP is where the good playing will come. Hello?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Uh.. Yin. They gave Intelligence and Difficulty 4.5/5 stars. That seems pretty damned good to me.

And quote is:

If you're a fan of the series or of the genre, then I can readily recommend picking up Civilization III -- just keep in mind that it may not be all you expected, especially later in the game. For those looking to take their first steps into turn-based strategy, Civilization III is an excellent place to start. It will allow new players to start off easy, and grow into the challenges that will be thrown at them. Despite the problems I found within Civilization III and the fact that the Modern Era feels unfinished, the possibilities for expansion seem nearly unlimited. Once Firaxis implements multiplayer, there won't be any reason to avoid this game, which again proves itself to be both fun and addictive to play.

It can also be interpreted as Civ3 is an excellent game and once there is multiplayer then there is no reason for you NOT to buy this game. That does not lead me to believe that you need multiplayer to make the game fun.

Look outside your box, Yin.

[Faboba]

Originally posted by ACEofHeart
Now that the intial excitment of playing Civilization with "borders" has long passed,

Sorry man, but for me it will NEVER pass. I love the idea, I love that they used it, and I love that they included a normalising effect to stop it from becomming stupid.

it was with deep interest that I viewed the "negative" areas of the first Review.

Thats how everyone seems to be looking at the reviews. They're desperate for an excuse not to like the game it seems.

Still unrealistic battle results,

Its not unrealistic. The chances of entrenched warriors, in a fort, at the top of a mountain killing modern infantry soldiers is actually pretty high. Doesn't bother me unless it's too extreme. ( IE -AI has lucky day, sacks your metropolis with a legionaire ). What with the outrageous bonuses by the end of the game ( city wall = 50%, entrenched = 50%, Metropolis = 100%. Mech infantry with a defense of 60 anyone......... I hated that in CTP I could NEVER win against a more advanced unit.

unavoidable city corruption,

Say it all doesn't it? UNAVOIDABLE. You're damn right. You can't stop the crime element, only put it down slightly. The richer your city the more will be lost via nefarious means.

poor screen scrolling,

Probably because they've done away with the irritating pain-in-the-ass feature POP-Up CTP had. ( you;'re scrolling, you can't see anything, you pause and suddenly POP, there are your cities and units. Can't see anything as you move. There will naturally be some slowdown because of the correction of this.

frequent city starvation,

Good. I don't want metopolises in the friggint dessert! You should be able to 'make a go of it#' no matter where your city was. Otherwise you could just build it in te middle of a mountainrange and ferry food there turn after turn.

modern era boredom,

Where have you been? The modern era is boring. All that happens is every so often someone builds a giant army and tries to take over the world with it, and fails. All that happens in the modern age in reality is that someone gets a really big army and conquers maybe two cities or so. The modern age is a conflict of science and diplomacy my friend.

Wonder Movies reduced to name a few..

We were told they were out entirely. I'm just glad they're in at all.

that and Minimun System Requirements is a P2-300 !!!

You honestly telling me you don't have that. Hell if you've bought a half decent computer in the last half a decade you'll have that.

Well,, I'll buy it.. but I'm not going to be deleting Civ2 just yet..

Well I won't be giving up on Civ3 just yet either. "And don't you roll your eyes at ME young man!"

[yin26]

They gave Intelligence and Difficulty 4.5/5 stars.

Again, where are the solid examples of this?

As for the 'expanding' and 'multiplaying': It seems clear. The SP experience will be less than what we were expecting ... and it will be up to the modders and MPers to fix it (again).

[Faboba]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Look outside your box, Yin.

But the light.... AHHHHH! It's too bright!

"False dawn! Makes the night BRIGHTER THAN THE DAY!"

[yin26]

The modern age is a conflict of science and diplomacy my friend.

See: Previous AI apathy posts.

But the light.... AHHHHH! It's too bright!

Wow! Witty!

[Fidel]

Re: Archers shoot down cruise missiles... AI hardly notices nuclear attacks...MP anybody?

Originally posted by yin26

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31040

The whole sad truth is there. It's just about every horrid thing I could NOT want in Civ3.

And Korn: Sorry, bro. Not only is MAD *missing* from this game, nuclear attacks are just another form of attack.

*sigh*

So much lost time on the List and this forum. Hell.

okay,
let me get this straight
adrenaline vault moron transports cruise missille. that probably has to be done bu a truck. some mujahedeens basically killed the driver and destroyed the missile.

[monkspider]

If the AI is indifferent about nukes, then that is ATTROCIOUS!
That itself should constitute an attrocity. Hopefully it's easily patched, or a random glitch that the reviewer encountered.

[ACEofHeart]

Faboba, will I'm still a kid at heart, being a Vietnam Vet believe me I'm not a "young man"..
Ok,,I've read 3 reviews so far, and I find one irratating trend in all
of them. Just because something is "different" in the game does not translate to being better !!!
Example..Visually sending my spies and diplomats out was a "fun" factor in the game, so eliminating that entirely now, according to one reviewer is better ??? grrrr..
And saying that a P2-300 is the "minimum" requirements means
you probably need a Pentium3 to optimately play Civ3.. I just found that unrealistically pretty darn steep....
Anyway the bottom line to any game is "was it a fun gaming
experience, that you would want to play again".. I'll know by this
weekend the answer to that personally..!!

[fanatic civver]

Yin: The game has been out for one day. *You* havent even played it. Yet you flame away like there is no tomorrow

I think you are being very unfair to Firaxis and the civ community in general.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Again, where are the solid examples of this?

I don't understand you Yin. This is the SAME reviewer that you are using for your negative points. Why is it when he says something positive you hav trouble believing him?