pc.ign.com review up: 9.3! *nt*

[The Big W]

negativity = attention galore

"And if I can admit that you can definitely say something good about Civ3"
There's a flaw in your theory, Simpleton. It is nearly impossible for a negative poster to say something good about a subject in question, because to do so would make them sound like most everyone else on the board, and to sound like everyone else would prevent them from being the center of attention.
Case in point: if you post a positive statement, one or two people acknowledge it but your post is quickly forgotten, but post a negative statement and you've got people responding to your post for the next 3 hours...a very ego-gratifying situation indeed...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, there you have it. Imran insulting people again.

I'm just less subtle at it than you are (and I don't try to be subtle about it as well). Such as:

Show me where I psychoanalyze somebody just to put words in their mouths.

That is a very subtle insult, of course GP doesn't care.

You mean I haven't been brown-nosing?

You haven't seemed to care about Civ3. Just pointing out negatives.

Wow. That's lame. First, EU at least had the developers working hard to get player feedback in an OPEN and PUBLIC way. That goes a long way in my book.

That is all it takes? Well, since you seem so fond of bringing up 'The List', let me do it. Firaxis, in an open and public way tried to get player feedback, through 'the List' and the 'EC', and then took things from it that they wanted.

And HELL EARTH TO IMRAN: I wasn't involved with EU from the beginning like I was with Civ3...get it?

Neither were you with SMAC or CtP2. What are your arguments for your crusades against them (especially SMAC). You've seemingly contradicted yourself.

Sure. That's air-tight right there.

Sure seems that way, doesn't it?

[ACEofHeart]

Lets keep in mind Civ3 is NOT a new gaming concept.
This is a game that is supposed to IMPROVE on what came
before it....!!!
The 2 reviews I've seen so far only stated what was new,
not that they really liked or enjoyed those changes and then raised some serious gaming issues, some new and some that previousily existed..!!
Yet both gave it high marks.. 4 out 5 stars.. and a 9.3
I find that preplexing...
Once again, I'll buy it.. but I do not like what I'm reading so
far...

[Tilemacho]

To my opinion MP is VERY VERY important but only after some time you have played the game in singel player mode.
PBEM is the most needed MP option in a turn based game like civ3!!!

[yin26]

a very ego-gratifying situation indeed

Ah, more cheap pscyhobable. Read the two years of posts on this forum and get back to me.

"Show me where I psychoanalyze somebody just to put words in their mouths."

That is a very subtle insult, of course GP doesn't care.

This is your problem: You don't understand what's an insult and what isn't.

Firaxis, in an open and public way tried to get player feedback, through 'the List' and the 'EC', and then took things from it that they wanted.

Correction: BRIAN REYNOLDS asked publically. Oh, but he left...and so did much of any public recognition of fan efforts. Wait, there was mention of 'some site on the Internet.'

Neither were you with SMAC or CtP2.

My work on the SMAC patch 4.0 speaks for itself. As for CtP, now you are being a hypocrite. You can't stand the CtP games and you know it. I went after CtP because: It was a rip-off of Civ and it was an insult to every TBSer everywhere. Clear?

[ElitePersian]

You guys need to stop worrying, the game will be good. If there are some aspects which are LESS than good, mod makers will take care of that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

This is your problem: You don't understand what's an insult and what isn't.

Rather I call it a jab (which is basically an insult)? It definetly was a backhanded comment. We'll come back to this down below.

Correction: BRIAN REYNOLDS asked publically. Oh, but he left...and so did much of any public recognition of fan efforts. Wait, there was mention of 'some site on the Internet.'

You paraquote wrongly again to advance your POV. IIRC, Jeff Morris mentioned they got some ideas from some fansites. You fail to realize that CivFanatics also had a list. If they said Apolyton, it wouldn't sit well with those on the other sites with Lists of their own. And can you even fathom that on an interview on ANOTHER site they'd edit any mention of other sites (not saying they did this, but it is possible).

My work on the SMAC patch 4.0 speaks for itself.

But that doesn't answer the question. It dealt with the quote:

I wasn't involved with EU from the beginning like I was with Civ3...get it?

Working on 4.0 patch means you weren't there from the beginning (obviously). So how does your statement answer my question?

As for CtP, now you are being a hypocrite.

As above... jab, insult? Whatever you call it, taking a swipe at me, seeing as... (below)

You can't stand the CtP games and you know it. I went after CtP because: It was a rip-off of Civ and it was an insult to every TBSer everywhere. Clear?

...Your premise seemed to be that you could ***** at Civ3 because you were there at the beginning (unlike with EU). So from that logic, you could conclude that you don't take swipes at a game unless you were there at the beginning. However, you say you took on CtP for something different?

So why couldn't you take on EU's flaws now? Seeing as you CAN take on games even though you weren't there at the beginning (as you've just proved).

So, how does it make me a hypocrite when I question a claim you made that doesn't seem to jive with the evidence?

[Fidel]

yin you know i like you....your post even made it to my sig
i know you are trying to make a point, but ...just relax

[yin26]

You fail to realize that CivFanatics also had a list. If they said Apolyton, it wouldn't sit well with those on the other sites with Lists of their own.

You fail to realize: Mention BOTH sites!

So how does your statement answer my question?

Involved from the beginning = 'involved.' I wasn't involved in EU and found, for the most part, that they were doing a good job with the fans and made (once I really tried to work though the upfront problems) a good game. CtP was because of my previous reason.

In the end, it matters ZERO what you think of my motives. Lord fear the day I think "What will Imran say?" before I post! LOL! And your entire firxation on why I get involved with one game and not the other is rather funny.

yin you know i like you....your post even made it to my sig
i know you are trying to make a point, but ...just relax

Yes, I plan to. Thanks. Honestly, the few key things I've seen in the reviews made some things very clear. I'm heading out of the office now and will consider when will be a good point to rejoin these conversations ...

[Imran Siddiqui]

You fail to realize: Mention BOTH sites!

Why doesn't he mention EVERY site which gave him an idea . Unfeasible. And it would look interesting in an interview: We'd like to thank [insert site here] for giving us ideas. Firstly it'd alienate other fansites, unless ALL were mentioned, and secondly maybe the site doesn't want to advertise for this other site just mentioned.

Involved from the beginning = 'involved.' I wasn't involved in EU and found, for the most part, that they were doing a good job with the fans and made (once I really tried to work though the upfront problems) a good game.

But there were still problems (still are, actually). So, in a certain way it leads to:

And your entire firxation on why I get involved with one game and not the other is rather funny.

It ain't just me. Not anymore. Look at this thread if you want more proof. GP and me have just known you the longest of the skeptics of your motives here .

In the end, it matters ZERO what you think of my motives.

That's nice. Then why do you keep responding to me?

[korn469]

a decent 2000 word review, it seemed like good old steve butts actually played the game but probably more from a "hey cool i got civ 3 lets enjoy this baby" than an "i need to examine each area and make a detailed analysis" not enough reflection on the lows and highs and not enough new info

[yin26]

By the way, some life advice: You'd do well to not use words like 'insult' and 'jab' when they don't fit.

"END psychoanalysis"

Those were his words. So when I say he was psychoanalyzing me to put words in my mouth ... and I know he's putting words in my mouth because what he describes is not how I feel ...

Then, Imran: You have me making a true statement, not a jab or insult. Now, your problem is when you don't like the truth presented before you, you try to make it into some kind of insult. One only hopes you don't try such thing in 'real life.' Sadly, I have found it a disturbing trend in my 20 somethings that they have almost no concept of what an insult is and how to respond to criticism.

You fit that category.

As for why I reply to you: Because your silliness entertains me.

[Fidel]

yin
my civ3 copy is currently on its way to NYC and tomorrow it will board a plane in a FedEx package. Then it will fly over the Atlantic Ocean. The miracles of modern transport

Also, Yin - wait until it hits the bargain bin. I must admit I have spent my money on things worse than Civ3 may yet turn out to be in your most catastrophic predictions

[Imran Siddiqui]

So when I say he was psychoanalyzing me to put words in my mouth ... and I know he's putting words in my mouth because what he describes is not how I feel ...

Yet, you are saying that he was psychoanalyzing you for the express purpose of putting words into your mouth. He might not have been doing it at all. And thus trying to put down his argument because of it.

I repost again:

Show me where I psychoanalyze somebody just to put words in their mouths.

Basically accusing him of doing this thing often (so it seems from the words put forth). That IS a jab, even if you try to deny it with all your might.

Sadly, I have found it a disturbing trend in my 20 somethings that they have almost no concept of what an insult is and how to respond to criticism.

You fit that category.

As for why I reply to you: Because your silliness entertains me.

Jab #1 (and generalization) and Jab #2. Now, interested in seeing you weasel out of it in some unconvincing way.

Why is statement #1 a jab? Because you insinuate, that I, as a 20 something (while generalizing all of them) are ignorant about those issues.

Statement #2? Obvious.

Subtle jabs, just because you don't want to be associated with it, doesn't mean that you don't do it. Doesn't work that way, in real life, as you put it .

[The Fat Guy]

Well ...
This is my 1st post in this forum, prolly the last as well.

I am a hardcore gamer. So much that i find it hard to find satisfying game experiences anymore at all.
I am not sure for how long o played Civ2 - the SP edition - it was at least 9months. That is PURE!!! time - something well above 6000 hours.

That is what I call a lasting appeal !

Of course every addiction requests more and better kicks over time. The only way to go for - people like me - is to play MP-games.

Even the best AI can´t compete with any MP.

or better: The game may be poor, MP can make it addictive .

You know what i want to say :

Even if Civ3 SPedition is only merely better than Civ2 i still would buy it if i was below that 9months .

The way it is though, i will have to wait for the MPedition and play AoE or Cossacks till then .