Lifting the "Fog of War"

[Lorizael]

Neat idea Pggar but these satellites (if you have more than one... still don't know how it will work) are circling the globe for a year. They could see much more than one 100x100 mile area in a year.

Oh and AdmiralPJ, they took out cheating in Civ III. That's not exactly what my voyeuristic tendencies are focused upon anyway........

[Lawrence of Arabia]

You could build each satelite in your cities then send them off into space. each satelite covers 10% of the globe. You can build a max of ten of them. They would be very expensive (like the cost of a mini wonder)

[Immortal Wombat]

One of the first things I added to CtP was a satellite unit, with 10 movement points, the ability to sleep in space, and a vision range of 6

[Lawrence of Arabia]

In CTP, wasnt movement in space *10 or something. So its actually has 100 mouvement points.

[Immortal Wombat]

*20, so 200 mp, took a bloody age to take a turn

[Lawrence of Arabia]

200 turns

[MxM]

I would prefer that starting from modern or even from industrial age, player is able to see the map without units. Realistically, the maps were very accurate in 19 century and probably even earlier, so you should be able to see city sizes, roads, terrain types etc, but not units . To see units you need some kind of satellite system.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

ya. And partisans should not be able to be seen fro mthe air

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by MxM
I would prefer that starting from modern or even from industrial age, player is able to see the map without units. Realistically, the maps were very accurate in 19 century and probably even earlier, so you should be able to see city sizes, roads, terrain types etc, but not units . To see units you need some kind of satellite system.

Your maps would only be accurate in the 19th century if you had explored a lot and traded with people that traded, too. I'm sure there were civs in that time that did not have world maps.

[MxM]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Your maps would only be accurate in the 19th century if you had explored a lot and traded with people that traded, too. I'm sure there were civs in that time that did not have world maps.

I am sure that you can easily buy map in other countries. All you need to do is to send one (!!!) person to London and buy modern atlas. Not a big deal for ANY country in 19 century.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by MxM


I am sure that you can easily buy map in other countries. All you need to do is to send one (!!!) person to London and buy modern atlas. Not a big deal for ANY country in 19 century.

But what if you were an Isolationistic civ?

What do you think trade is? Anyway, it's up to you to prevent forest... I mean, it's up to you in a game like Civ III to trade and explore, not some stupid tourists...

[MxM]

Originally posted by Lorizael

What do you think trade is? Anyway, it's up to you to prevent forest... I mean, it's up to you in a game like Civ III to trade and explore, not some stupid tourists...

So you think that there should be an option "send spy into London shop to buy atlas"? In this way you will "participate" yourself.

I think if you are allowed to steal technology, then buying a map should be a mission with 100% success probability. And because of this, I think it should be done automatically, as soon as you reach either industrial or modern age.

And even from gameplay point of view: I do not think it is fun to rediscover the city sizes and roads again and again and again … in XX century!

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by MxM


So you think that there should be an option "send spy into London shop to buy atlas"? In this way you will "participate" yourself.

I think if you are allowed to steal technology, then buying a map should be a mission with 100% success probability. And because of this, I think it should be done automatically, as soon as you reach either industrial or modern age.

And even from gameplay point of view: I do not think it is fun to rediscover the city sizes and roads again and again and again … in XX century!

Actually, stealing maps is one of the Espionage options...
It still a matter of how you play the game. You could have a strict government that says no leaving the country. Then once you reach industrial or modern, you wouldn't have a map.

But trading is an integral part of the game now so once you reach Industrial or Modern, I think you would have gotten a world map.

[MxM]

But I am speaking about necessity of constantly upgrading the map. I do not see reason keeping fog of war in modern time (except for the units).

[Lorizael]

If you're peaceful with a civ and have a right of passage, then you can keep the FoW away but placing units in their civ. If you're at war, you've been kicked out, you shouldn't know what's in there until you get close.