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  • Civ3 - The Marketing Plan

    I'm not going to hurl epithets, but it's pretty clear that Firaxis has decided to maximize their profits by following the (unfortunately) successful Civ2 version release path. For the longest time the October release date made no sense to me - since it's really too early for the Christmas buying frenzy - but then it hit me:

    1) There's a large latent market of individuals who will buy Civ3 no matter when it comes out, so the first release in October will sweep in a nice wad of cash.

    2) As the "Conflicts in Civ" and "Fantastic Worlds" versions proved, there's also a good sized crowd who will spend cash for the tools necessary to make good scenarios - specifically a macro language. By building in backward incompatibility, you also ensure that owners of "vanilla Civ3" will have to upgrade in order to play all the scenarios created (at no expense to Firaxis) by the horde of modders.

    I suspect that a macro language DOES exist, but it's being held back for a later, pre-Christmas release.

    3) At some point - and the timing is likely to be based more on cash flow concerns as opposed to development issues - Firaxis will release a 2nd upgrade, this one containing the Multiplayer capability.

    I'm guessing that Firaxis won't slavishly follow the Civ2 model (which would require the release of TWO macro language upgrade versions before the first multiplayer edition), but in general this is what we can expect.

    One thing that's worth looking into is that Firaxis has probably designed the base game to handle both multiplayer and a macro language (if only because it's cheaper to add code than to completely redesign). So for those so inclined, it may be possible to discover these inactive "hooks" and come up with some workarounds of our own.
    To La Fayette, as fine a gentleman as ever trod the Halls of Apolyton

    From what I understand of that Civ game of yours, it's all about launching one's own spaceship before the others do. So this is no big news after all: my father just beat you all to the stars once more. - Philippe Baise

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    elaborate more on the first one. after the october rush, they will hvae ANOTHER rush at christmas right when the game is reduced $10-20 bucks in price ( or maybe not, look at AOK - its stll $50 in some stores.
    AND GUESS WHAT!?!? I SUPPORT THEM! THEYRE A ****ING COMPANY! THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE
    And God said "let there be light." And there was dark. And God said "Damn, I hate it when that happens." - Admiral

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    • #3
      This thread reeks of libertarianism gone awry.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dainbramaged13

        AND GUESS WHAT!?!? I SUPPORT THEM! THEYRE A ****ING COMPANY! THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE
        What's with the attitude? I'm simply offering a possible explanation for the otherwise inexplicable omission of a Macro Language and Multiplayer capability. If you want to cheerlead, at least do so with a modicum of thoughtfulness.
        To La Fayette, as fine a gentleman as ever trod the Halls of Apolyton

        From what I understand of that Civ game of yours, it's all about launching one's own spaceship before the others do. So this is no big news after all: my father just beat you all to the stars once more. - Philippe Baise

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dainbramaged13
          AND GUESS WHAT!?!? I SUPPORT THEM! THEYRE A ****ING COMPANY! THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE
          ummm....NO. just becuase they are a company does NOT mean that have the right to do whay ever they want (dispite their current belief in this)

          so you are saying that a coorperation should have more rights that the individual? this is BS.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kull
            What's with the attitude? I'm simply offering a possible explanation for the otherwise inexplicable omission of a Macro Language and Multiplayer capability. If you want to cheerlead, at least do so with a modicum of thoughtfulness.
            i agree.
            kull: it is an insightfull (but i guess some do not agree ) post. nice.

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            • #7
              No, I don't think Firaxis is gonna exploit the civ players the same way Microprose did. They were very reasonable with SMAC and patched it quickly, also adding other things (landmarks, PBEM). I think Firaxis will deal with Civ 3 the same way they did with SMAC. I'm pretty sure that multiplayer will either be available in the initial release or will be patched into the game.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Akron
                No, I don't think Firaxis is gonna exploit the civ players the same way Microprose did. They were very reasonable with SMAC and patched it quickly, also adding other things (landmarks, PBEM). I think Firaxis will deal with Civ 3 the same way they did with SMAC. I'm pretty sure that multiplayer will either be available in the initial release or will be patched into the game.
                if firaxis was the publisher i would agree. but that is not the case here. infograms is teh publisher. and judging on their PR so far...i think they are even worse then microprose

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nemo
                  if firaxis was the publisher i would agree
                  they werent the publisher with smac either....
                  Co-Founder, Apolyton Civilization Site
                  Co-Owner/Webmaster, Top40-Charts.com | CTO, Apogee Information Systems
                  giannopoulos.info: my non-mobile non-photo news & articles blog

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                  • #10
                    kull, here's something to get you going: firaxis hasnt said a thing about the included scenarios
                    a world map is confirmed but nothing more.
                    even the extra scenario of the limited edition seems to be cut

                    Co-Founder, Apolyton Civilization Site
                    Co-Owner/Webmaster, Top40-Charts.com | CTO, Apogee Information Systems
                    giannopoulos.info: my non-mobile non-photo news & articles blog

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MarkG
                      they werent the publisher with smac either....
                      dang, i'm busted. i hadn't realized that EA was the publisher oh well, then i guess i like EA better than infograms

                      p.s. hey mark - since you ignored my emails, i would like to make another formal request to put the avatar thingy back to a time limited duration rather than a post count...pleeeeease? all i wanted to do was to put a US flag for an avitar...now i am SOL

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                      • #12
                        Hmmm this is a very depressing scenario that I hope will not unfold. Not only because that would make me regret feeling spiffy and buying the Limited Edition when Infogrames/Firaxis plans to suck more dollars from me in this sort of way, but also because it would be unacceptable at this point in time.
                        It's not 1996 anymore. You can't bring out a game that lacks basic features without at least being verbally and publicly raped by Magazine reviewers and a critical 'fan'-base.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nemo
                          so you are saying that a coorperation should have more rights that the individual? this is BS.
                          A corporation employs a lot of individuals. So you're saying one individual should have more rights than a hundred?
                          Humans are like cockroaches, no matter how hard you try, you can't exterminate them all!

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                          • #14
                            A corporation employs a lot of individuals. So you're saying one individual should have more rights than a hundred?
                            A corporation is an individual of sorts unto itself. Besides, individuals cannot add their rights together in order to create bigger rights - rights are not vector-like in that respect.

                            And someone give Nemo is g*d*mned custom avatar back already!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Executor


                              A corporation employs a lot of individuals. So you're saying one individual should have more rights than a hundred?
                              huh? i dont get it? how does 1 individual have more rights that 100 individuals? that is insane.

                              like misterpleasant said:
                              Besides, individuals cannot add their rights together in order to create bigger rights - rights are not vector-like in that respect.
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                              And someone give Nemo is g*d*mned custom avatar back already!
                              woohoo! thanks misterpleasant!
                              hey mark: thats 3 votes so far in favor! and my hands are getting tired of typing so many posts! i like reading better than writing

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