Please do NOT pirate Civ3!

[tuckson]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Unless you steal from M$, then you are a hero just like Robin Hood

Why?

[aneeshm]

I'm against piracy of any software , but do you know that where I live , it's tougher to get a pirated copy than a licensed one .

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by tuckson

Hmmmm.... Trying to get a free copy, ehhhh...?

Not far as I know. My Civ and Civ II are authentic and
I have considered preordering Civ III. So I don't have
any illegal Sid games.

[Mihai]

I read only part of first page, but I have a question :
How many of you would be willing to pay 1/4 of monthly wage for a game? And my 200$/month is twice the average - you need at least 100$/month for a decent living (no kids, no car, no trips).

I am a little embarrased, but I'll buy a pirate copy when they'll appear.

[Earthling7]

Originally posted by Mihai
I read only part of first page, but I have a question :
How many of you would be willing to pay 1/4 of monthly wage for a game? And my 200$/month is twice the average - you need at least 100$/month for a decent living (no kids, no car, no trips).

I am a little embarrased, but I'll buy a pirate copy when they'll appear.

Piracy is a big problem in Eastern Europe, and I know that it's really bad in Romania. But then, if the game eats up 1/4 - 1/2 of your wages... If they want the problem solved over there, they should release a local version ans sell it for money people can afford to pay.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Earthling7

Piracy is a big problem in Eastern Europe, and I know that it's really bad in Romania. But then, if the game eats up 1/4 - 1/2 of your wages... If they want the problem solved over there, they should release a local version ans sell it for money people can afford to pay.

Most of the illegal sofware copies that for sale
come from Russia. But the situation is worse
in Romania, Moldavia (the poorest country in Europe),
Belorussia, Ukraine and so on.

Those Russian pirates are quite widely spread.
They are sold in Russia, Finland (it's true), Estonia, Czech republic,
Turkey and some other countries.

I have plenty of information about this, but I don't
think anyone is interested, expect BSA.

As far as I can recall, there has newer been any such
charity in the sofware business, expect when M$ has "given"
licenses to some projects. Of course there's the
"freeware movement" or what ever you want to call it,
but they're not a part of the "real" software industry (IMO).

That's all for now, folks!

[Sirotnikov]

If there is a good system of return policies and trying the game, then yes, it's wrong to use warez.

If there is none, the use of warez as a seriosu demo is acceptable in my opinion.

I intend to buy Civ III, but I wouldnt' have heard of it if not for getting Civ I through illegal means. I got Civ I around 1997 when I bought my computer. That year I bought two good games, Red Alert and Diablo which had better hype than Civ II. Civ II sounded nice but too complex.

Only after I got Civ I and discovered the joy did I begin participating in the community.

If not for warez I'd still be playing RTS and wouldn't be a future costumer.

I think that if Civ III is good, Firaxis has nothing to fear from warez. Good games sell.

But being cheated is a *****. I checked out a warez of Red Alert 2. I played one skirmish and deleted it forever. It's a bad game. I considered buying it, but it was indeed bad and i'm happy i tried it.

For all of you claiming I'm cheating out the developers out of their money, I say no. I'm cheating them out of the money they are cheating out of me.

If I had bought CtP, CtP 2 and Red Alert 2 I'd play it for half hour and then stop. I would ahve wasted about 210$ and would still be bored.

So how am I cheating the developers if I don't intend to buy the game nor steal it? If they are planning their profits on the money i'd spend only to be disappointed by a lousy game, then screw them.

I'd rather cheat out a developer for a few days, than him cheating me out of my money for good. I can always delete a warez. I won't ever get my money back.

And you can say how if I won't pay the publishers they won't have moenyy to make new possibly better games. Well they should have known better than releasing a bad game and an unfinished one.

I played Max Payne in a a friend's house. I'm gonna get a warez, check if it runs ok on my comp, and then will try to find money to get it. because it's worth it. I will also support the developers further. If I could (they dispersed).


What am I gonna do about Civ III? I'm gonna wait for the reviews and posts here. That's what. But that is because I have a good and reliable source of info. If I hadn't I'd download it and decide tis' faith in 6 hours.


Why not make games act like shareware? They work fully for 48 hours, and have no multiplayer. After I register and pay money, They work and have multiplayer and I get gameplay tips and such.

I'd be willing to do that.

[CobraA1]

I like both real-time and turn-based games. As long as it's strategy

All I have to say is if you like it, be kind enough to shell some $$ for it - you're voting with your wallet, and supporting current and future games.

It costs money to make Civ III, and money does not grow on trees.

[Wiglaf]

Cobra, you've just unknowingly triggered the revival of the 'Apolyton Money Grows on Tree Club', founded in 1998 with the sole goal of proving where those little bits of cash actually come from. A large number of forum posters have come to believe 'stealing' or 'pirating' is in fact a healthy and moral thing to do, as Firaxis can simply buy seeds of green at a local outlet store and grow some dough.

Really, people, who are you talking to? People who steal and pirate games sure aren't going to change - bringing up this issue only alerts more to the temptation and entices those on the fence about it.

Um, duh?

By the way, when a number of people on this forum make it a point to locate and report these sites to Firaxis and Infogrames, you can bet there will be a 'practical purpose' (as if that is the Golden Rule of a forum or something for God's sake...).

But if Firaxis and Infogrames show no interest in scaring off those sites, then I'll promptly step out of the way and let them make a clear statement: "Pirate Civ 3! We won't do anything about it."

...starting to see a 'point' yet?

No. Because Firaxis won't make a post in your thread, you'll make the judgement they don't care? The real thing they don't give a damn about it this particular topic that will only be seen by 30 or so people. From this thread alone, it would be ridiculous for an entire gaming company to start a legal crusade or whatever.

Granted, few topics have a practical purpose here (actually, most of the better ones don't)...but this is more of a 'I really like firaxis, don't hate me' thread from a guy with a reputation for unyielding pessimism.

As for turning people away from pirating...not going to happen. As I've said before, and you fail to answer this point in your last couple of posts, more people will be drawn into the whole thing than turned away by this discussion. That's all I'm really concerned about.

[yin26]

I 'fail to answer' that point because it wasn't worth answering. And the 'Firaxis don't hate me' thing is pure tripe. By the way, have you got your pirated copy yet?

[yin26]

Firaxis won't make a post in your thread

Ummm, Dan already did? It seems pretty clear he's worried about the issue to some degree. The question is will Firaxis and Infogrames make some larger effort to shut down the warez host sites? (usually just a threat to sue is enough)

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by yin26
I 'fail to answer' that point because it wasn't worth answering. And the 'Firaxis don't hate me' thing is pure tripe. By the way, have you got your pirated copy yet?

WTF makes you think I pirate games? Talk about tripe, that was some pretty insulting BS, considering I've never stolen or copied a game in my life.

And I'm sorry if my points weren't worth answering...

The question is will Firaxis and Infogrames make some larger effort to shut down the warez host sites? (usually just a threat to sue is enough)

Neither you nor your topic can make any difference. It's impossible for such a small company to close down all the 'warez' sites out there. Empty threats don't matter to the more carefree people in the world, either (usually they're the ones that do this sort of thing in the first place).

[yin26]

Your defeatist attitude is actually pretty funny.

[Wiglaf]

[SITS]

So the argument now is to not to say anything against pirates as it is all pointless. Are you still into grunge, Wiglaf as your pessimistic attitude would fit well in that era....