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  • #1

    Governments?

    What governments will there be in Civ3?

    Despotism
    Monarchy
    Republic
    Democracy
    Communism

    Is that it? Please, let there be more!

    I think Fascism deserves to be in the game. Especially since they got rid of Fundy. What about Theocracy? The Holy Roman Empire ring a bell? There's 8 including Anarchy.

    Please don't tell me they're taking a step back to Civ1 as far as governments are concerned. There is great room for improvement in this area of the game. It shouldn't be overlooked.
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    The only info released on gov. is that Fundy isn't a gov. and that all the speculation of Nationalism being a gov. is untrue (I knew it all along, though).

    I've always hoped for a combination of SE and base gov. Where you could have a democracy, lets say, and use the SE to make small changes to your gov. I've had a few supporters on this but nobody seems to really catch on to it, hopefully Firaxis did.
    However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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    • #3
      Although I'm a bit angry over it, I just hope that you would be able to create your own governments when you customize ala CTP1/2.... Of course, what are the chances of that happening?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by TechWins
        I've always hoped for a combination of SE and base gov. Where you could have a democracy, lets say, and use the SE to make small changes to your gov. I've had a few supporters on this but nobody seems to really catch on to it, hopefully Firaxis did.
        What is "SE"?

        I thought a SMAC type model would be nice:

        *Primitive Example*

        Economy:
        1) Command
        2) Capitalism
        3) Imperialism
        4) Barter/Primitive

        Leadership:
        1) Family Heir to throne
        2) Elected
        3) One-Party rule
        4) Rule by Judges

        That would give you 16 different governments!
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        • #5
          What is "SE"?
          SE is exactly what you gave an example of. It stands for social engineering.

          My system for determining your gov would in actuality be the best the system. You would be able to give the basic premise of your gov. (i.e. Communism) then you would be able to do all the SE (i.e. Economy) from there.
          However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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          • #6
            SE=Social Engineering

            I think there was some heavy negitive feedback about having SE in CivIII a while back so it is definitly not in.

            I borrow a quote from some guy in the annals of history:

            "[regarding the H. Roman Empire] It is neither "Holy", nor "Roman", nor an empire."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Christantine The Great "[regarding the H. Roman Empire] It is neither "Holy", nor "Roman", nor an empire."
              I couldn't agree more. But that doesn't mean that there couldn't be theocracies in the game.

              Originally posted by Bill3000
              Although I'm a bit angry over it, I just hope that you would be able to create your own governments when you customize
              I love this idea. I asked Firaxis in the "askthecivteam" mail if we would be able to make our own gov. types. They didn't answer my question, but I sure hope we can.
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              • #8
                yeah right, like that will be in the game
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
                  I love this idea. I asked Firaxis in the "askthecivteam" mail if we would be able to make our own gov. types.
                  I'd like to see this as well. It seems unlikely though, because wouldn't we have seen evidence of SE in some of the screens? Could they have hid it that well and left it unmentioned? At the very least I'd like to see more gov'ts. The basic five or six just aren't gonna be enough.

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                  • #10
                    yeah right, like that will be in the game
                    What exactly are you referring to?

                    Again nobody comments on my idea of a base government and SE options for each government.
                    However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TechWins
                      Again nobody comments on my idea of a base government and SE options for each government.
                      I think it´s a viable idea.

                      (Sometimes no one comments because all agree. I always assume this if no one comments on someting I say. )
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                      • #12
                        I think it´s a viable idea.
                        Well, thank you on two bases. One for actually commenting and second for liking the idea. I've just never received much response on the idea and I was hoping I might in this thread, that's all.
                        However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TechWins

                          Again nobody comments on my idea of a base government and SE options for each government.
                          \

                          Actually I think that is an AWESOME idea. You could have more realistic govt's. Instead of just vanilla 'Communism' model your nation after a more totalitarian Stalinistic regime, or you could be a more moderate 'Leftist' gov't. Of course, slight, yet noticable, varitations on gameplay.
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                          • #14
                            I borrow a quote from some guy in the annals of history:

                            "[regarding the H. Roman Empire] It is neither "Holy", nor "Roman", nor an empire."
                            Bertrand Russel. Still my favorite example when explaining definite descriptions. (unfortunately, high schools don't seem to teach history anymore so my students usually stare blankly until I explain it).

                            Techwins:
                            Great Idea. I'm more a pure SE supporter, but the idea of a base gov is pretty cool. I take it the base gov would also limit some of the SE choices (no fundy under democracy, no free market under communism, that sort of thing?).

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                            • #15
                              The governments that should be in Civ3-

                              The Dictatorships

                              Despotism
                              Communism
                              Fascism
                              Military Regime/ Dictatorship

                              The Republics

                              Republic
                              City States
                              Democracy
                              Corporate Republic

                              The Kingdoms

                              Absolute Monarchy/ Feudalism
                              Monarchy
                              Constitutional Monarchy

                              The Holy Empires

                              Theocracy
                              Fundamentalism


                              The more govs the merrier - even Call To Power had quite a few govs.

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