Scenario's?

[isaac brock]

okay, well, maybe that last post was a little bit over the top, H Tower. I apologize, because Jesus teaches forgiveness.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by isaac brock
okay, well, maybe that last post was a little bit over the top, H Tower. I apologize, because Jesus teaches forgiveness.

that's ok, cause i'm not any of those. i just think there are plenty of good war scenarios out their already for civ2. and i know tons of war scenarios are going to be made, in fact i'll probably try making a few myself but i also want a scenario or too that makes use of the new features available instead of just remaking civ2 scenarios for civ3

[Brent]

I want scenarios about colonizing Mars and the Moon, with other civs from earth to compete with. Also I want a battle between several nearby star systems.

I want a scenario where you play either the Semites, Hamites, or the Japhethites colonizing the world. I want a scenario of the Israelite Exodus and Colonization of Canaan.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by isaac brock
Mostly Pacific Scenarios my ass. We all know what Civ is intended for. WAR! If the people want war, give them war, not some crappy "renaissance."

WAR!

Isaac, take your notebook and write down a hundred times: "Civ as a real wargame is very poor or, putting it in a single word, it $uck$

Any dedicated wargamer can see this a mile away: no limited ammunition, no supply line, no units maintenance, no decent stack rules, no balancing between sea, air and ground movements...

That's OK for me, because Civ is really much more than a tactical or strategical wargame, is about the raise of a civilization, an empire to be reckon for. I don't want to take away battles from Civ, but (as H Tower write) we have plenty of war scenario available for Civ II, and I'm sure we'll have the best of them translated for Civ III.

Still war scenario can't use Civ to its full potential, because research, ecomic balancing, civil building, happiness trouble, are usually on the background or eliminated.

So, for once, try a different taste: try Pacific scenario.

Brent, AFAIK the limit of Civ map and engine will make really difficult to build a scenario about battle between star systems; better wait for "Stars! Supernova Genesis" or "MOO3", I suppose.

Israelite Exodus and Colonization of Canaan seems interesting: let me know if you ever build it

[Buck Birdseed]

I thought I'd make a historical scenario with a title like "East African Trade Empires 500-1800 A.D." just to muck about a bit. My actual project is likely going to be a number of Sci-Fi/Alt. History/Philosophical scenarios, including but not limited to my Giant Maggot Creatures from the Bowels of a Mediaeval Earth-Like Planet fight the Evil Laser-Weilding Robots From Outer Space scenario.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Snapcase
My actual project is likely going to be a number of Sci-Fi/Alt. History/Philosophical scenarios, including but not limited to my Giant Maggot Creatures from the Bowels of a Mediaeval Earth-Like Planet fight the Evil Laser-Weilding Robots From Outer Space scenario.

Sounds great!

[Henrik]

When I first heard of Civ 3 I decided that I would be the one to make a thirty years war scenario for it...

[ajbera]

A few ideas of mine...

1) A while back on the Civ2 - Scenarios forum, someone discussed the possibility of creating a Civ2 scenario based on Railroad Tycoon. I don't recall the exact changes that would be made, but the concept and planned execution sounded quite cool. For those seeking a non-martial scenario (well, it would be war, but trade war) this would be a challenging endeavor with the promise of a great payoff if anyone could get it to work.

2) Conquest of the solar system, either in whole or in part. This will be hampered by map limitations (as mentioned by Adm. Naismith) but I think it's possible to work around it (ToT's linked maps would have been perfect for this.) Either conquer inner system (Mercury through Asteroid Belt) or whole system. Make it good, hard science fiction/fact. No fighters zipping through space; travel is slow and dangerous, colonization conditions are very harsh. But imagine the fights for special resources found among the moons of Jupiter and Saturn! Very demanding to design and play, but I've dreamt of a scenario like this for ages.

3) Two variations on a theme - fight for a city. Option 1 - a remake of the Gangster scenario. Several gangs fight it out for control of a major city (with areas ranging from upscale, to ghetto, to commercial district, industrial, etc.), opposed by allied city and federal forces, and perhaps some vigilantes too. Build a thriving crack trade, assemble a stable of ho's (mo' money), and conduct hits on your enemies. Another dream of mine, and something to offend everyone.

Option 2 - medieval-type fantasy, also involving the fight for a city. In a large medieval city, the prince/duke/whatever has just been assassinated. Now, three major groups try to gain control - an assembly of mercenaries and thieves (Machiavellian, end justifies the means, want power), the "good" thieves and allies (hoping to seat a benevolent ruler, the good guys), and a wizard (supernatural evil and revenge, just wants to destroy the city.) Other, smaller groups can represent guilds and other special interests (for alliance purposes only, not as playable factions.) I originally thought this up as a CtP scenario (utilizing the space layer as the Astral Plane), but CtP's scenario tools suck. So, hopefully this can be adapted to Civ3. An epic tale of adventure, this is yet another dream of mine.

4) Germ Warfare. Like Osmosis Jones, the Body has been infected with Germs. Play as either the Body fighting the infection, or the Germs (or Virus) invaders. Tons of fun with snot and pus.

I know most folks will recommend historical scenarios (which are just dandy), but I wanted to throw out some outre ideas. Let me know what y'all think.

P.S. - Harlan Thompson MUST create a Civ3 version of his Lord of the Rings scenario. You listening Harlan? We're counting on you to be your brilliant, hard-working self.

[Shadowstrike]

Speaking of which, Harlan's Mongol sceario, updated for Civ3 would be really cool too...... *Prepares to sack Samarkand*

[isaac brock]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith
Isaac, take your notebook and write down a hundred times: "Civ as a real wargame is very poor or, putting it in a single word, it $uck$

I hope you know I don't honestly believe that. I would hate to be disrespected by someone as powerful as an admiral. When I made that comment, I was young, and immature. I thought those days would last forever...

[K.J.H.]

GNOME WARFARE

Once I came up the idea too make a Gnome Civilization Modpack.
I could make Civs like:
Wood Gnomes
Elves
Pixies
Trolls
Smurfs
Lapricauns? (I don't know how to write that, but I mean those Irish gold seeking gnomes)
Goblins

I could make units like:
Work Gnome (Worker)
Builder (Settler)
Ratrider (Horsemen)
Manure Bomb (Cruise Missiles)
Super Glue Bomb (Nuke)
Twig Men (Spearmen)
Toothpick Men (Pikemen)
Toy Tank (Tank)
Toy Car (Mech Infantry)
Birds OR Paper Planes(like the planes)
Rubber ducky (Galleon)
Salmon (Submarine)
Salamander (Trireme)

and wonders like:
Blacksmith (MINOR) (for a good military)
Odin's Sword
Jar of Gold (for a good economy)
Human Trashcan (many food, like the Piramids)

improvements:
Mage House (Computerlab)
Blueberry Farm (Granary)
Bottle of Thinner (away with the glue in no time like the SDI defense)
etc.

I'm just brainstorming ...

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by isaac brock
I hope you know I don't honestly believe that. I would hate to be disrespected by someone as powerful as an admiral. When I made that comment, I was young, and immature. I thought those days would last forever...

Hmmm, a more appropriate word should be "Admiral my ass!" .

Eh, eh, you know I'm not an Admiral, if not for Dendarii mercenary space fleet (check nearest library for Vorkosigan S.F. saga, written by Lois McMaster Bujold, if you like )

I'm old, and probably immature

[Harlan]

Ajbera and Shadowstrike,
Glad that you like my scenarios. I would like to see the Mongols and Lord of the Rings scenarios converted to Civ3 (and Vikings too- I don't think that one was ever properly realized), but I don't know if I have the will to do it. It takes a lot to do something over, and one usually has more enthusiasm doing new things. Redoing these certainly isn't my first priority now.

However, I've decided that what I enjoy doing most in scenario making is the scenario map. Getting the cities just right, the terrain accurate, the trade goods, the army setup, and so on. I really like doing all the research to make that as accurate as can be, yet at the same time fun to play. But the event code writing, the unique artwork, the extensive playtesting and other aspects needed to make things go, I find I often don't have the will to do. Cos of this, there are several Civ2 scenarios I got 90% finished but never quite completed - grr!

Sooo, I would be willing to make the map for the above scenarios, if someone else would do the other stuff. Anyone interested? Lord of the Rings would be very hard to do because of the extensive unique art needed that Civ3 will be lacking (so many non-human units, for starters. Perhaps it would have to have "2D" units). Mongols though, could really benefit by the changes of Civ3. The culture concept would be great especially: imagine conquering huge areas, yet having all your new subjects extremely culturally different and pissed off at you! What a challenge that would be to hold onto your conquests. As your empire grows bigger, your empire gets weaker instead of stronger. I really like that game feature, cos not only is it generally more historically accurate, but I think it will make the game funner. No boring cakewalk victories anymore, cos there's a natural feedback loop (the better you do, the harder it gets).

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By the way, Admiral, peace scenarios are a good idea, but I actually quite like the war capabilities of the civ series. I'm not a hard-core "grognard" (is that what they call it?) that gets deeply into the supply issues, morale issues, and so forth of battles. I like the simplification that allows you to keep things on the strategic level, instead of getting really tactical. Plus, war games ignore the tech choices, economy choices, management issues, and so forth that are usually the real determinant of who wins and loses wars.

[Kurgan]

Mediterranean Sea in the II century B.C., and the attempt of colonization of America by the Vikings in "Vineland" against the skaerlings?. Those would be nice scenarios.
Can anybody answer a question? I have no clue about programing or making the animated units, but if it is difficult to create new art and units because the animation, will it be possible to take existing units and "disguise" them painting new armor or clothes over the original maintaining in this way the animation?

[techumseh]

I was actually thinking of a project like LOTR on Civ3. With the new game and the movie coming out, I'm sure it would be very well received. I'm finding I also like to specialize, so perhaps one or two others are needed, in particular someone to dig into the technical aspects of modification.